I set aside all other factors and considerations and conformity of my ideas? Who do you think conform to his own ideas? Obviously it is not me because I followed the Scripture as my basis of truth. How about you? Who do you follow?
You ignore others who also cite scripture, but have a different understanding of them than yourself. You only think your ideas are the only correct ones. You think others have to think in the manner you do, in order to be doing what is "in accord with scripture". Once again, you have yet to show where anything these practices are doing which is a violation of the injunctions Jesus taught. Whenever you point to something you think is a contradiction, it is always an error of understanding what you are criticizing, and when corrected, you ignore us and stick with your Internet authorities who have no credentials or credibility, or limited experience and failed practice who rather than accepting responsibility vivifies the systems itself.
When it comes to spiritual practice, I follow Spirit. After all, "spiritual" means of the Spirit, right? "
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." It sounds to me Jesus placed the importance on following, or being led by Spirit. I don't really see the emphasis on "Biblical Infallibility" you hamer us with being found in Jesus' teach.
Yes, you cited few Scriptures to support your view, but until now, my questions for you to validate and justify the practices in light of the Scriptures were still left behind?
I've addressed them directly throughout this entire discussion, and so have all the other participants you ignore. I've repeated them at least a hundred times in fact, and you just ignored them and simply act like we didn't say anything. You didn't address why you didn't think they supported what we were saying. You just ignored them. That's not a discussion at all, you know.
How can your partner (Sojourner) will use the Scripture as a supporting evidence if he did not fully trusted the Scripture? He has his own standard of accepting it as God’s infallible word.
And here is the core why you do not accept or listen to anything we say. You feel we need to accept the modern doctrines of Biblical Inerrancy and Biblical Infallibility. You see him saying things like the Bible is full of cultural artifacts, that these are the words of fallible humans speaking the truths of God as they understood them at the time, as "not fully trusting Scripture". This is a false premise right at the outset, one which alienates you from growing in knowledge and truth. One which itself is not supported by Scripture. It is in fact a modern doctrine, not a Biblical doctrine.
Here's what Wikipedia says about the modern doctrine of Biblical Infallibility you are unaware of. "
The idea of Biblical infallibility gained ground in Protestant churches as a fundamentalist reaction against a general modernization movement within Christianity in the 19th and early 20th centuries." It's modern, 19th and 20th century, and a reaction against Modernity. That those like Sojourner or myself, or frankly all others in this discussion find the modern doctrine misguided in thinking and in fact checking, does not mean we find no value or truth in Scripture. It's not a black and white matter as you seem incapable of not thinking in terms of. You are believing a modern doctrine, not something that was directly taught in scripture.
So if you are to say we are practicing a modern practice of meditation, you are no different in believing a modern doctrine of Biblical Infallibility. We find support for meditation in scripture, you find support for Biblical Infallibility in scripture, even though
neither are explicitly taught.
Why use 1 Cor.3:1-3 about spiritual infancy to support the fact of a person who does yoga practice before and awakened to the truth of Christ? A proof text! Windwalker.
You don't follow what I posted. I quoted it to show how there are those, such as yourself and your friend, who are not ready to open themselves to things which are more advanced than what they are ready for. If they get ahead of themselves, it will result in confusion for them, or freak them out, or send them off into fanaticism or some such other spiritual disease. The evidence of the lack of preparedness, the "babes in Christ" that Paul speaks of them as, is all the debating of "authorities", etc which you are doing in this thread. "I am of Paul! I am of Apollos! You don't trust the scriptures! Where's your Biblical support!", etc.
The Scripture has nothing to do with yoga practice, Paul did not uttered this statement to project about yoga.
That's right, and I didn't quote it for that reason. You should read more careful what I say before creating a strawman response like this. Don't make me waste my time having to correct you all the time, every time. Be more careful, more focused in understanding what I type before responding.
Where is the Spirit of truth guidance?
Within the response of your soul.
This is the common dilemma for those who dwell with the New Age and contemplative mystical teachings. They will draw Scriptures that will paste it with their own analogy; lack of studies, and just interpreted it erroneously. The Scripture is not meant for casting lots; or as needed basis.
I frankly don't give a crap what New Age does and does not do. That has nothing to do with any of us in this thread. None of us identify with New Age. Should I start calling you a Muslim? I may as well since its what you are doing here. Quit trying to equate what we are doing as New Age. It is not. Quit lying. Quit bearing false witness.
There is no black and white pounding of pulpit in the light of truth.
Yet then why do you do it? I'll post this again here because it pertains:
[GALLERY=media, 6304]Perspectives by Windwalker posted Sep 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM[/GALLERY]
What you are doing in the image above is taking the truth of the blue square and pounding the pulpit in black and white thinking, "It's clearly the blue square, and cannot be the yellow circle, because it's a blue square! A blue square is not a yellow circle! You are WRONG! Where's your scripture that shows a yellow circle!" This is what you are doing throughout this discussion.
You are right, only by accident, that in the light of Truth, there can be no black and white thinking. Black and white thinking is inconsistent with Truth, which contains all perspectives, Blue Square, Yellow Circles, White Cylinders, etc. It sees "from above", outside and beyond all relative positions. If you were not thinking in Black and White terms, you wouldn't be trying to prove all of us wrong as you are.
The truth itself is visible. We pronounced the truth in accordance with the written word.
As you are perceiving it, calling that perception "The Truth!" You are in fact placing your ideas about Truth, as The Truth!, or saying your ideas are the truth of God itself. As I said, this is worldly thinking. "Babes in Christ", not ready for solid food.
We are just bringer of the God’s word, we don’t have the authority to add nor diminish the Scripture.
No, you are the preacher of your own ideas as the truth of God and lack the spirit of humility necessary in order to lead anyone into Truth itself, into Spiritual Knowledge.
How many percent from 1% to 100% that you believe the Bible is the infallible word of God?
None of the above. 0% is the correct answer. That is a modern doctrine formulated in the 19th Century in the West in response to rise of Modernity in Christianity, one which I feel does not reflect the truth of God as I understand it in my spiritual growth. That doctrine is not a requirement of Faith.
Without out any support? Did I posted to you before what is “higher-self “ defined in wikipedia? Here is what I’ve posted before.
Did I ever use the term "Higher Self" in any of this discussion? I don't believe I have, but in either case I don't find the term as bad as you do. But it has nothing to do with me saying your claim that meditation opens you to Satan is without support. What does the "higher self" have to do with you supporting your claim? None. You still haven't supported your claim, 43 pages later now!
It just give me a realization that from the start of our conversation, I rarely see you quoting the word “Jesus,” you always quote the Spirit of Truth rather than Jesus. I
When I use "Jesus" in discussion, which I have many times in this thread, it is when I am speaking of the human being who walked the earth teaching others the Way. In context I will say Jesus when speaking of things this man taught. When I say Christ, or Spirit, or the Spirit of Truth, or Truth, or Holy Spirit, I am speaking of the Divine in action or in motion, or in communication with the world. If I speak of God, it is inclusive of all of this, as well as the Infinite Transcendent and Immanent One.
So, the majority of this discussion is speaking of spiritual realization through meditation practices, thus the majority of the time I will speak of Christ, or Spirit. When I speak of the man who taught, I will generally say Jesus.
f I may ask if you have surrendered and committed your life to Jesus? Having believed and faith in Jesus?
A friend of mine recently had a realization that the prayer of "I surrender" actually had a connotation to him that was creating resistance for him "letting go". The idea of "surrender" as he was taking it, which is much in the manner you suggest it, has the suggestion of handing over your sword to the vanquishing Warlord whom you wishes to take control of everything you are, to take it away from you as in defeat. I thought that was an interesting realization on his part, and one that is in fact inherent in our way of thinking about what "surrender" means in regards to God. I think you interpret the word in that same vein. I don't, however.
Here's how I understand it instead. This "surrender", really is matter of 'letting go'
into God. It is an action of not laying down my will to the Great Power above me, but a release of my own clinging to the things which prevent me from letting go, and merging into God. It is laying down my self-seeking in order to
merge my will into God. God's will becomes my will. My will becomes God's will. I and my Father are One. That, is "surrender". Its is surrendering oneself to Love, for the sake of Love itself. It is marriage, not the conquered one laying down arms in defeat. There is a subtle, but vastly different attitude that either lays one low into "submission" before God as a conquering Dictator or Warlord, as in how you use it, or one which carries one
into God, through Spirit in marriage and Unity, in how I use it. The former understanding is immature, the latter is mature.
What? We make God , the anchor yet we are not opened to faith. How can we make God as our anchor if we did not have faith? We believe in faith that saves.
You make your beliefs God. You aren't operating out of faith when you do that.