Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[katiemygirl]

It's called cognitive dissonance

Yup, it sure is!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** w08 4/15 pp. 12-13 par. 5 Young People, Remember Your Grand Creator Now ***
...but only Jehovah’s Witnesses fully understand that they are part of the sign that points to the end of Satan’s world.—Rev. 11:18.

Rev 11:18 (ESVST) 18 The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth." Does this verse say anything about a JW?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes the true followers get HS for reminders and strength--never a revealed truth before the anointed teachers. The anointed teachers( faithful and discreet slave) give food( spiritual) at the proper time--that is how it works.

So why didn't God see fit to supply food (lol) at the proper time for the centuries before 1914? are they just S.O.L.?

 

[kjw47]

LMBO!! Too bad you can't trust what they teach, they could get "NEW LIGHT" tomorrow!!

New light as a truth is better than old light as an error. But a domestic will never get a new light without Jesus' anointed teachers sharing it with them. And since Jesus anointed teachers are the only ones on earth who have been sharing new light, I sure am glad Jehovah has let me see.

 

[kjw47]

Blasphemy.

I guess you don't know Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

No offence, but I believe God uses people He can trust and that understands what He says the first time, like the writers of the Bible. JW's cannot with a sincere heart say that what they hold as truth today will still be truth next week.

I guess then that is why the trinity religions have become a divided house( Mark 3:24-26) they will not stand--so then who does that leave?

 

[kjw47]

So, in Jesus' "MODEL" prayer, He's telling us to worship God in prayer (Father, Your Name is Holy) that was Jesus telling us we have to use God's name? How come Jesus never said, "You must use God's personal name"? How come Jesus never mentioned God's name, in neither Greek, Hebrew, Latin or any other language back then?

Do you have kids? Do you make your kids call you by your name so they can know you and have a relationship with you? Is your kids using your personal name important to you? Will you kick them out of the house if they don't use your personal name?

What did Jesus mean when He said,

John 14:8-9 (ESVST) 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ' Show us the Father '?

John 17:6,26-- he sure did use the name.

Jesus is the -IMAGE( Coll 1:15)- of the Father--the image of something is never the real article. Jesus lived 24/7-365 doing the Fathers will--one in purpose.
John 15:20-21--Jesus warned on account of his name there would be those doing things against the true followers because they do not know the one who sent him=Jehovah.

 

[savagewind]

Luke 10:16--the true followers gladly accept Jesus' appointed teachers.

I think he means people who hear the word carried down to us listen to Jesus, thus Jehovah. The governing body teach their own words. They do not teach the true words of God. Whoever listens to the true words of God that God's people speak listen to Jesus who is the truth. Made up words or teachings that go beyond what is written by those chosen from the founding of the world are what your teachers teach. They teach some truth, but according to the Jehovah's Witnesses some isn't enough. Like they say, "Christiandom, which does not speak all the truth, will be judged." So according to that judgement the JWs accept like judgement without knowing.

 

[kjw47]

I appreciate you taking the time to address my questions.

The problem is that Luke 10:16 does not say one word about Jesus' mediatorship extending outward from the anointed to the great crowd by association. Jesus' mediatorship isn't even mentioned. Nor does the verse have anything to do with the other questions I asked.

Are you sure you gave the correct verse?

I'll ask again.

Where in Scripture does it say Jesus' mediatorship is extended outward from the anointed to the great crowd by association?

How does Rev. 14:3 answer the next two questions?

Where in Scripture does it say the New Covenant is between God and the 144,000 anointed ONLY?

There is no question that the 144,000 were purchased from the earth, but where does it say the 144,000 is a literal number? What Scripture says the covenant is limited to 144,000 people only?

Where in Scripture does it say that only the 144,000 are in heaven?

If only the 144,000 are in heaven, then where are the elders who the 144,000 sing the new song before? Are they not also before the throne in heaven? Doesn't Rev. 7:9 show that the great crowd, too, are before the throne of God, which is in heaven?

You see, your jw.org website leaves too many unanswered questions.

At Luke 10:16-- He that listens to you( Jesus' anointed teachers) is listening to Jesus and God as well--and the opposite--he that rejects Jesus' anointed teachers is rejecting Jesus and God as well.

The throne of God is representing the only ruling power in existence at that point--if one is on earth, the moon, or heaven, they are standing before the throne. Gods kingdom rule will be ruling all of creation. A kingdom rule with a king in place is like a govt-per-se. It will never end-Daniel 2:44)

 

[kjw47]

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Well, lol what are these supposed 6 Truths that "prove" the JW teachers are correct? Tell me. You can't just say I posted them, there the truth, so JW's are right lol

I posted them in this thread a few days ago but I will for you.

Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)

Matt 5:5-- Blessed are the meek( teachable) for they( great crowd) will inherit the earth.

The Lords prayer--Hallowed be thy( Father) name( Jehovah) --last line trinity translations--The KINGDOM, POWER and GLORY all belong to the Father. Jesus prays for the Father will to be done.

Jesus teaches he has a God-his Father--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- as well so do his anointed teachers--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--1Peter 1:3--- Rev 1:6-- all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God-His father( Jehovah)

John 17:1-6,26--Jesus clearly teaches--the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- verse 6= ( YHVH)Jehovah, 26= (YHVH)Jehovah

John 4:22-24-- The hour is coming and the hour is now that the true worshippers will worship the-FATHER- in spirit and truth. For its the- FATHER- who is searching for suchlike ones to worship him in spirit and truth.

 

[kjw47]

So why didn't God see fit to supply food (lol) at the proper time for the centuries before 1914? are they just S.O.L.?

they have all died and paid the wages of sin. They have the hope of the resurrection. they will be given the opportunity to learn Gods will and apply it, but under better circumstances--no satan influence for 1000 years before he is loosed again for a little while--then some still follow him. Then those will be sol. the lake of fire( the second death)( destroyed)

 

[kjw47]

I think he means people who hear the word carried down to us listen to Jesus, thus Jehovah. The governing body teach their own words. They do not teach the true words of God. Whoever listens to the true words of God that God's people speak listen to Jesus who is the truth. Made up words or teachings that go beyond what is written by those chosen from the founding of the world are what your teachers teach. They teach some truth, but according to the Jehovah's Witnesses some isn't enough. Like they say, "Christiandom, which does not speak all the truth, will be judged." So according to that judgement the JWs accept like judgement without knowing.

except the JW teachers make corrections and the light is very bright now but not 100% yet-- But the only way for this bible teaching to be truth( Daniel 12:4) is for correction to be made here in these last days. And the whole Christian world has watched it being accomplished.

 

[Wharton]

I guess you don't know Jesus.

No, it's you who doesn't know Jesus. He can't usurp the object of thanks (God) in the Passover by saying to do this in remembrance of me without being God. The Passover is a memorial of God's saving actions, not a man's. You don't remember a man during it.

It's amazing how illogical the JW theology of Jesus is when his actions at the Last Supper have only two end results. He is either God or he's usurping the place of God and is a sinner/blasphemer.

 

[Wharton]

I posted them in this thread a few days ago but I will for you.

Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)

Matt 5:5-- Blessed are the meek( teachable) for they( great crowd) will inherit the earth.

The Lords prayer--Hallowed be thy( Father) name( Jehovah) --last line trinity translations--The KINGDOM, POWER and GLORY all belong to the Father. Jesus prays for the Father will to be done.

Jesus teaches he has a God-his Father--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- as well so do his anointed teachers--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--1Peter 1:3--- Rev 1:6-- all 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God-His father( Jehovah)

John 17:1-6,26--Jesus clearly teaches--the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- verse 6= ( YHVH)Jehovah, 26= (YHVH)Jehovah

John 4:22-24-- The hour is coming and the hour is now that the true worshippers will worship the-FATHER- in spirit and truth. For its the- FATHER- who is searching for suchlike ones to worship him in spirit and truth.

How many times do I have explain this? Jesus has a God in the begetting process (note not creation process but begetting) just like you had a human in your begetting process. You have a human. Jesus has a God. The ONLY TRUE God that begot him.

Didn't you ever wonder why Jesus said My God and your God? He's making a clear distinction. If he was just human he would have said Our God.

 

[savagewind]

except the JW teachers make corrections and the light is very bright now but not 100% yet-- But the only way for this bible teaching to be truth( Daniel 12:4) is for correction to be made here in these last days. And the whole Christian world has watched it being accomplished.

They can't be corrected. I have tried. I can say for sure that they ignore correction that they do not like.

 

[JFish123]

They can't be corrected. I have tried. I can say for sure that they ignore correction that they do not like.

And the same can be said for you but we in so called "Christendom " will keep trying to show you the Truth, the True Light

 

[savagewind]

And the same can be said for you but we in so called "Christendom " will keep trying to show you the Truth, the True Light

Tell me please. Do you need me to confess that Jesus is God? Why and to whom? To God?
Confessions are made to God. Are they not? Why does God need to know that um God is Jesus?

 

[Katzpur]

And the same can be said for you but we in so called "Christendom " will keep trying to show you the Truth, the True Light

Between the Jehovah's Witnesses and fundamentalist Christians, I think that right about now, the rest of us are all pretty much blinded by your light and smothered by your truth.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I guess then that is why the trinity religions have become a divided house( Mark 3:24-26) they will not stand--so then who does that leave?

Let me ask you this, who is the Word in John 1:1?

 

[james2ko]

Jesus was not named Emmanuel even though the prophet Isiah said that his name would be ... Isaiah 7:14 Therefore Jehovah* himself will give YOU men a sign: Look! The maiden*+ herself will actually become pregnant,+and she is giving birth to a son,+ and she will certainly call his name Im·manʹu·el does that mean Jesus is not the Messiah?

1. Solomon was not named Jedediah even though the prophet Nathan said it would be (2 Sa 12:25). Does that mean Solomon was not a literal king ? No. He was a king literally dwelling and ruling from Jerusalem. Just as many scriptures indicate Christ will be.

Just showing here that these expressions found in the prophesies do not have to literally be used for them to be true.

2. If we utilize this contorted reasoning as an analogy of your interpretation of Jesus' symbolically living and dwelling in Jerusalem, Solomon's reign and residence in Jerusalem was also symbolic. Do you see how totally senseless that makes your analogy?

Jerusalem was the only place where the worship of the true God was carried out in all the earth. In that sense, we can certainly say it was the city of truth.

3. Have you not read?

Jas_1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.

Act_26:7 To this promise our twelve tribes, earnestly serving God night and day, hope to attain. For this hope's sake, King Agrippa, I am accused by the Jews.
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The Israelites were also worshipping the true God in places other than Jerusalem. Unfortunately, you have aptly demonstrated making "sense" isn't exactly your organization's strong point.

But im not getting into controversy with you, you believe in a literal fulfillment and we dont. So obviously we will have different interpretations.

4. At least I can prove and make sense out of mine from scripture. You can't even make sense of your contrived, symbolic interpretation. Sorry Pegg. This is just one of many proofs the GB is not exclusive. It is one of many.