Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[kjw47]

I have learned and I apply Jesus' teaching in my life, and I'm 100% sure the Holy Spirit is correct. I didn't need the GB to teach me anything.

Maybe you missed these--Luke 10:16, Hebrews 13:17---

 

[kjw47]

JW Jesus is a blasphemer, plain and simple. There's no rocket scientist or bible teacher needed to figure that one out.

It's very simple. Jesus replaces the object of thanks in the Passover todah/Last Supper with himself-"Do this in memory of Me."

Wait a minute JW Jesus, you dare to replace the object of thanks in the Passover todah, who is Jehovah/God, with yourself? Blasphemy!!!. A man can't do that. The JW teachers are wrong about the nature of Jesus.

Unless Jesus is God, Jesus is committing blasphemy ( a sin) and is not a perfect sacrifice. The apostles are participating in idolatry by replacing Jehovah (God) with Jesus ( a man) as the object of thanks.

Its not the Jw teachers who are wrong on that matter. Its the teachers who tell all to partake, when Gods word teaches some are unworthy to partake. 1Cor 11:27.

Reality-- a sinless mortal rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing with Jehovah for all mortals---- Deut 32:4= All of Gods ways are -JUSTICE--- thus--a sinless mortal( Heb 2:7= made lower than the angels-a mortal) lived a sinless existence, but paid in full the wages of sin= death, that he did not owe--then presented this sacrifice to Jehovah his Father as the ransom sacrifice.

 

[kjw47]

?? That verse just says "Whose name is the Lord".

Psa 83:18 (ESVST) 18 that they may know that you alone, whose name is the Lord, are the Most High over all the earth.

Eph 1:21 (ESVST) 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

That verse says, "above "EVERY" name that is named". How do you get "every name "EXCEPT" Jehovah"? ABOVE EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED! That excludes no name! Is Jehovah's name named? Can you say "EVERY" and not include "EVERY"? "EVERY" day I wake up, that means "EVERY" day, I wake up. You can't make that verse say what you want it to say!

In every bible through the ages until the last 50 years or so--the name Jehovah was present at Psalm 83:18--every scholar on earth knows it is fact. The name has been removed from the ot in nearly 6800 spots--every place-GOD-LORD is found,( all capitols) Gods personal name belongs--removed by wicked men who had 0 right, making every translation without the name present in those spots an altered version.

 

[kjw47]

?? That verse just says "Whose name is the Lord".

Psa 83:18 (ESVST) 18 that they may know that you alone, whose name is the Lord, are the Most High over all the earth.

Eph 1:21 (ESVST) 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

That verse says, "above "EVERY" name that is named". How do you get "every name "EXCEPT" Jehovah"? ABOVE EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED! That excludes no name! Is Jehovah's name named? Can you say "EVERY" and not include "EVERY"? "EVERY" day I wake up, that means "EVERY" day, I wake up. You can't make that verse say what you want it to say!

Because if you believe the bible--someone else made Jesus' name the name above the rest--the one Jesus said--The Father is greater than I--hallowed be thy( Father) name( Jehovah)

 

[james2ko]

If you have a question please ask it.

Most certainly. Question 1: Utilizing the law of non-contradiction, find me two scriptures that contradict Jesus could and would never dwell and rule on earth in the future?

Pegg said this about these verses, "A literal fulfilment did occur in ancient times. Back then the kingdom of God was represented by an earthly king... so yes, it did initially have a literal fufillment"

Zec 8:3 "And now the LORD says: I am returning [the Hebrew term "shoob" denotes returning to a place He literally once left!] to Mount Zion [where His feet will touch-Zec 14:4], and I will live [and reign-Jer 3:17, and many other verses] in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City; the mountain of the LORD of Heaven's Armies will be called the Holy Mountain.
Zec 8:4 "This is what the LORD of Heaven's Armies says: Once again old men and women will walk Jerusalem's streets with their canes and will sit together in the city squares.
Zec 8:5 And the streets of the city will be filled with boys and girls at play.
Zec 8:6 "This is what the LORD of Heaven's Armies says: All this may seem impossible to you now, a small remnant of God's people. But is it impossible for Me? says the LORD of Heaven's Armies. (NLT)
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Zecariah's audience were Jews returning to Jerusalem from Babylon. In verse six, Zecariah implies verses 1-5 are an impossibility to the remnant of God's people then. But Jehovah rhetorically asks them what I've been asking Pegg for years, "Is it impossible for Him to return to live and dwell in their midst on Mt Zion? His rhetorical answer is NO!. He will return to live and dwell with them and make all of this come to pass when Christ's feet touch Mt Zion and He returns to dwell in the city. With its ultimate fulfillment occurring when Jehovah Himself will descend to dwell on the New earth with men! (Rev 21:2-3)

Jerusalem was never considered a faithful city [city of truth] or ever called "Holy Mountain" after returning from captivity. It certainly was not a faithful city in the first century, as only approximately 5% of the population were affiliated with the various religious sects. It is definitely not that way now as evidenced by their annual Gay Pride Parade.

Question 2: If this prophecy had a literal initial fulfillment in ancient times, when did Jehovah literally return to dwell there and call it a Faithful City and Holy Mountain?

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[Wharton]

Its not the Jw teachers who are wrong on that matter. Its the teachers who tell all to partake, when Gods word teaches some are unworthy to partake. 1Cor 11:27.

Reality-- a sinless mortal rebelled and sinned, losing a good standing with Jehovah for all mortals---- Deut 32:4= All of Gods ways are -JUSTICE--- thus--a sinless mortal( Heb 2:7= made lower than the angels-a mortal) lived a sinless existence, but paid in full the wages of sin= death, that he did not owe--then presented this sacrifice to Jehovah his Father as the ransom sacrifice.

Reality: JW mortal Jesus replaces the object of thanks (God) in the Passover. That violates the first commandment.

 

[JFish123]

Yes every name but--JEHOVAH. Psalm 83:18
Exactly--Christ didn't do the things--Jehovah did all of it through Jesus( Acts 2:22)

The verse doesn't have a "but." It's (Jesus' name) is above EVERY name. You add 'but Jehovahs name' to fit your theology.

 

[kjw47]

Most certainly. Question 1: Utilizing the law of non-contradiction, find me two scriptures that contradict Jesus could and would never dwell and rule on earth in the future?

Pegg said this about these verses, "A literal fulfilment did occur in ancient times. Back then the kingdom of God was represented by an earthly king... so yes, it did initially have a literal fufillment"

Zec 8:3 "And now the LORD says: I am returning [the Hebrew term "shoob" denotes returning to a place He literally once left!] to Mount Zion [where His feet will touch-Zec 14:4], and I will live [and reign-Jer 3:17, and many other verses] in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City; the mountain of the LORD of Heaven's Armies will be called the Holy Mountain.
Zec 8:4 "This is what the LORD of Heaven's Armies says: Once again old men and women will walk Jerusalem's streets with their canes and will sit together in the city squares.
Zec 8:5 And the streets of the city will be filled with boys and girls at play.
Zec 8:6 "This is what the LORD of Heaven's Armies says: All this may seem impossible to you now, a small remnant of God's people. But is it impossible for Me? says the LORD of Heaven's Armies. (NLT)
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Zecariah's audience were Jews returning to Jerusalem from Babylon. In verse six, Zecariah implies verses 1-5 are an impossibility to the remnant of God's people then. But Jehovah rhetorically asks them what I've been asking Pegg for years, "Is it impossible for Him to return to live and dwell in their midst on Mt Zion? His rhetorical answer is NO!. He will return to live and dwell with them and make all of this come to pass when Christ's feet touch Mt Zion and He returns to dwell in the city. With its ultimate fulfillment occurring when Jehovah Himself will descend to dwell on the New earth with men! (Rev 21:2-3)

Jerusalem was never considered a faithful city [city of truth] or ever called "Holy Mountain" after returning from captivity. It certainly was not a faithful city in the first century, as only approximately 5% of the population were affiliated with the various religious sects. It is definitely not that way now as evidenced by their annual Gay Pride Parade.

Question 2: If this prophecy had a literal initial fulfillment in ancient times, when did Jehovah literally return to dwell there and call it a Faithful City and Holy Mountain?

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This stuff is really deep-- I am sure if Pegg told you an answer it would be the same answer I would find to share with you as well, because a JW does this to the best of there abilitys-1Cor 1:10)-- Jesus' anointed teachers know deep truths before any domestic, so what they say is truth, and I agree with them. There is symbolism involved.

 

[kjw47]

The verse doesn't have a "but." It's (Jesus' name) is above EVERY name. You add 'but Jehovahs name' to fit your theology.

Then explain to us did someone greater than Jesus make Jesus name above every other name or someone lesser? Did someone greater than Jesus appoint him king or someone lesser?( Daniel 7:13-15) Why did Jesus have to be taught everything by his Father and given everything by his Father--why does Jesus call his Father--MY God?Rev 3:12

It is just automatically known by all who know Jehovah that he is greater than Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

Reality: JW mortal Jesus replaces the object of thanks (God) in the Passover. That violates the first commandment.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Gods word clearly teaches--Jesus was made-LOWER- than the angels while on earth--not God--a mortal. Hebrews 2:7

 

[james2ko]

This stuff is really deep-- I am sure if Pegg told you an answer it would be the same answer I would find to share with you as well, because a JW does this to the best of there abilitys-1Cor 1:10)-- Jesus' anointed teachers know deep truths before any domestic, so what they say is truth, and I agree with them. There is symbolism involved.

She said the verses were literal now you are saying there is symbolism involved? I thought you guys were all on the same page? Additionally, she did not answer the questions and neither did you. You guys claim doctrinal perfection (100% correct). An easy claim to make when you ignore the tough questions. So can you please live up to your signature line and break the silence.

 

[kjw47]

She said the verses were literal now you are saying there is symbolism involved? I thought you guys were all on the same page? Additionally, she did not answer the questions and neither did you. You guys claim doctrinal perfection (100% correct). An easy claim to make when you ignore the tough questions. So can you please live up to your signature line and break the silence.

knowing that stuff is for the meat eaters--do you even know milk? And knowing that stuff doesn't really help one find God. First one must find God or no matter what is said to them will be to no avail--Do you know Jehovah?
No one ever claimed doctrinal perfection in the JW religion.--the light grows brighter until the day is firmly established.
I am sure Pegg searched out the matter before presenting to you an answer--you can look anything up yourself as well at JW.org--free to all.

 

[Wharton]

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Gods word clearly teaches--Jesus was made-LOWER- than the angels while on earth--not God--a mortal. Hebrews 2:7

When Jews celebrate the Passover, who do they remember and thank for salvation? God.

Your Jesus is telling the apostles to replace the object of thanks (God) with himself, a mortal man.

That's a sin.

It's a shame the GB didn't see that.

 

[Wharton]

Then explain to us did someone greater than Jesus make Jesus name above every other name or someone lesser? Did someone greater than Jesus appoint him king or someone lesser?( Daniel 7:13-15) Why did Jesus have to be taught everything by his Father and given everything by his Father--why does Jesus call his Father--MY God?Rev 3:12

It is just automatically known by all who know Jehovah that he is greater than Jesus.

If you understood the eternal now, you wouldn't be asking those questions.

 

[james2ko]

I am sure Pegg searched out the matter before presenting to you an answer-.

That's the point I've been trying to make---Pegg never answered the questions. She ignored them. Which is why I asked you. And you are doing the exact same thing..

knowing that stuff is for the meat eaters--do you even know milk? And knowing that stuff doesn't really help one find God. First one must find God or no matter what is said to them will be to no avail--Do you know Jehovah? No one ever claimed doctrinal perfection in the JW religion.--the light grows brighter until the day is firmly established. you can look anything up yourself as well at JW.org--free to all

Well enough to ask questions about Him your organization cannot answer.

 

[kjw47]

When Jews celebrate the Passover, who do they remember and thank for salvation? God.

Your Jesus is telling the apostles to replace the object of thanks (God) with himself, a mortal man.

That's a sin.

It's a shame the GB didn't see that.

Jesus only taught what the Father told him to teach? John 5:30.
All things Jesus did was to bring honor to his Father.

 

[kjw47]

That's the point I've been trying to make---Pegg never answered the questions. She ignored them. Which is why I asked you. And you are doing the exact same thing..



Well enough to ask questions about Him your organization cannot answer.

I showed you can look them up at JW.org--you told me she did present an answer to you. About an ot fulfillment.

 

[james2ko]

I showed you can look them up at JW.org--

Why should I look them up? Are you not His witness?

you told me she did present an answer to you. About an ot fulfillment.

Right. She said there was an OT literal fulfillment. Then I punched a huge hole in her answer with several questions she refused to answer. Are you going to answer them or are we going to chalk up yet another embarrassing refutation of the "one and only" GB?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

In every bible through the ages until the last 50 years or so--the name Jehovah was present at Psalm 83:18--every scholar on earth knows it is fact. The name has been removed from the ot in nearly 6800 spots--every place-GOD-LORD is found,( all capitols) Gods personal name belongs--removed by wicked men who had 0 right, making every translation without the name present in those spots an altered version.

That's not entirely true. The name JEHOVAH didn't exist until the 1200s

 

[Wharton]

Jesus only taught what the Father told him to teach? John 5:30.
All things Jesus did was to bring honor to his Father.

John 5:30 has nothing to do with what's going on at the Last Supper.

Jesus is now to be the object of thanks and remembrance at the Passover Last Supper. Unless Jesus is God, there's a big problem. Namely, blasphemy and idolatry.

And btw, you participate in this blasphemy and idolatry by holding a memorial service annually in honor of a mere man who replaces God with himself at the Passover.