Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[savagewind]

The belief that there exist people who will never

Are you for letting those into God's new earth who would quickly bring it back to the condition of this present earth?

Is against the scripture which says OF BELIEVERS "you do not know what tomorrow will be" James 4:14

Would you be interested in learning more about what that pure hatred is or is your desire only to find fault with Jehovah's Witnesses? Let your answer speak as to who you really are.

Thank you. No thank you. I was a Jehovah's Witness for almost twenty years (and I know now you are not allowed to talk to me again, thank God)

I see people who speak as you are speaking to qualify more as a false prophet than the Jehovah's Witnesses you condemn because you condemn what is godly and proper to do, not caring to learn that there is such a thing as a pure hatred or what it is. And for that reason you present the proper use of hatred as though it is evil, making yourself one who has fulfilled the prophecy that in these last days would come ones who called good bad and evil good.

Am I condemning? How, please? Do I say the governing body will be destroyed by God? Never! Do I say it is wrong that the JWs preach their nonsense? No!

I don't reckon you are capable of understanding what it means to hate the man we ourselves are, if that man is not fit to be deserving of life in God's new order of things, are you?

IF?????? God help us!

 

[Mountain_Climber]

A false prophet is that which says something will happen in God's NAME.

It is true that the Jehovah's Witnesses never said that God says the end will come on any date that they have advertised.

BUT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOD'S EXCLUSIVE CHANNEL. That has been their claim from their beginning.

THINK!!!!!!!!!!!! They say they alone know Christ. They say Christ is their leader. They say Holy Spirit is with only them.

THEN they advertise an end of the world.

If whenever they say ANYTHING, who are they speaking FOR? Christ. Right?

To speak for The True God something that does not come true is the real definition of a false prophet.

Why do Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door? I am sure it is because they are advertising Know Jehovah.

So everything they do and say should be about knowing Jehovah.

I said, "should be", not must be. OK?

Someone believes them to listen to them and they hear that "millions now living will never die".

WHO do they have to believe is saying it?

If a listener need not believe that what they say is from Jehovah then why do they TELL people that what they say is from Jehovah?

Show me one article where the matured organization of Jehovah's Witnesses claims to be the soul channel for God's holy spirit? Don't bother with their ancient literature which was written long before Jehovah's Witnesses even existed.

Jehovah's Witnesses have only been around since about 1934. While their roots are in that past, they are also very different than those in that past, having matured much since then. If I were one who could justify hating a 60 year old man because of who he were when he was 8 years old, then, just maybe you and I could agree.

 

[Mountain_Climber]

HUH? LOL.

Can you hear me? Can you hear me now? How about now?

I believe in hating what is bad. Very good! BUT THEY SAY PEOPLE ARE BAD. Can you hear me now?

I understand JWs do not take up arms. That is their right! BUT WHAT ARE THEY TEACHING? Can you hear me NOW?

They are teaching the hate of people. WHAT IS THE WORLD???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Isn't the world the hate of people?

1 John 3:7-8 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

Face the facts. Some people are bad.

 

[savagewind]

Show me one article where the matured organization of Jehovah's Witnesses claims to be the soul channel for God's holy spirit? Don't bother with their ancient literature which was written long before Jehovah's Witnesses even existed.

Jehovah's Witnesses have only been around since about 1934. While their roots are in that past, they are also very different than those in that past, having matured much since then. If I were one who could justify hating a 60 year old man because of who he were when he was 8 years old, then, just maybe you and I could agree.

OK I'll give you that.
People looking in from the outside see Watchtower. So I think it is admissible to apply old Watchtower teachings to The Watchtower. IF, according to JWs, that is NOT right, then the Watchtower should change its name or should retract all information in ole Watchtowers that isn't right.

Their mistakes they call new light. That is not being honest imho. Tell me please how not telling the truth is possible in the Truth?

 

[Mountain_Climber]

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Thank you. No thank you. I was a Jehovah's Witness for almost twenty years (and I know now you are not allowed to talk to me again, thank God)
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I can talk to you as I am not a Jehovah's Witness but that is neither here nor there.

From what you said above I understand now why your eye glasses are tinted so darkly against them. Do yourself a favor and work that out of yourself.

The only ones we are to hate even with only a pure hatred are those who hate God and show that they hate God by how they resist the true knowledge of him being spread in this earth.

 

[savagewind]

1 John 3:7-8 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

Face the facts. Some people are bad.

According to your understanding Peter, one of the finest personalities ever to exist, is of Satan. Read your Bible with your eyes open, please. Quit reading it through the eyes of a TOWER. Just a friendly suggestion.

 

[savagewind]

I can talk to you as I am not a Jehovah's Witness but that is neither here nor there.

From what you said above I understand now why your eye glasses are tinted so darkly against them. Do yourself a favor and work that out of yourself.

The only ones we are to hate even with only a pure hatred are those who hate God and show that they hate God by how they resist the true knowledge of him being spread in this earth.

I do not hate the knowledge of God being spread. I think I am doing it. LOL. There are many people who aren't JWs who are preaching the good news of Christ.

Check it out! This group's content is available only to members - Worldwide Ex-Jehovah's Witness Internet Meetup (Colorado Springs, CO)- Meetup

 

[savagewind]

So dear friend Mountain Climber, is the governing body God's exclusive channel, according to you? They SAY they are. I assume you believe they tell the truth. Lying is of the devil. Is it not?

 

[Mountain_Climber]

According to your understanding Peter, one of the finest personalities ever to exist, is of Satan. Read your Bible with your eyes open, please. Quit reading it through the eyes of a TOWER. Just a friendly suggestion.

Peter cared and did something about it.

That is a huge difference. Are you claiming everyone cares and does something about it?

 

[savagewind]

Peter cared and did something about it.

That is a huge difference. Are you claiming everyone cares and does something about it?

No. I am saying it is not for you to know if they will ever do anything about it or not. Is it?

 

[Mountain_Climber]

I do not hate the knowledge of God being spread. I think I am doing it. LOL. There are many people who aren't JWs who are preaching the good news of Christ.

Check it out! This group's content is available only to members - Worldwide Ex-Jehovah's Witness Internet Meetup (Colorado Springs, CO)- Meetup

I have visited that site previously and concluded that most that frequent it need professional help so as to get over eating themselves alive by their own animosity..

 

[savagewind]

Tell me. Would you change for people who you knew hated you? Why or why not?

 

[Mountain_Climber]

So dear friend Mountain Climber, is the governing body God's exclusive channel, according to you? They SAY they are. I assume you believe they tell the truth. Lying is of the devil. Is it not?

Did I say I saw them as the exclusive channel? And if they have said something close to that are you completely sure that how you understand it is what they meant?

 

[savagewind]

I have visited that site previously and concluded that most that frequent it need professional help so as to get over eating themselves alive by their own animosity..

OK. I have not seen that. Just curious and you need not answer. Were you removed from there?

 

[Mountain_Climber]

Tell me. Would you change for people who you knew hated you? Why or why not?

I don't change for any man and i don't not change for any man.

I change out of love of God and his righteousness.

 

[savagewind]

Did I say I saw them as the exclusive channel? And if they have said something close to that are you completely sure that how you understand it is what they meant?

You did not say it. It is what the thread is about.

I am not willing to search through Watchtower publications (modern ones) which say it. If you really want proof it is what they teach there are many places to look. If you read each Watchtower you will see for yourself.

Now I wonder why you are defending something you do not know?

 

[savagewind]

I don't change for any man and i don't not change for any man.

I change out of love of God and his righteousness.

I think that is the right way. That is not what they teach though. They really do teach STILL that to be for God you must also be for them. When you get baptized as a JW you must pledge allegiance to "the Spirited directed organization". Look it up!

 

[Mountain_Climber]

OK. I have not seen that. Just curious and you need not answer. Were you removed from there?

No, I was not. I have never been a member of their group though over the years I have known many of them, working with some and and even at times vacationing with some.

I am sorry, as it seems you meant that chat site. No, I browsed it more than a few times as a visitor, musing at how the spirit of bitterness takes over people. That type of pondering helps me to identify and eliminate like things in myself.

You can do that with your Bible, also, just looking up the things that "fill", "filled", or "full" a person up, taking the room up inside a man so that no place is left for the holy spirit to be able to enter.

 

[Mountain_Climber]

I think that is the right way. That is not what they teach though. They really do teach STILL that to be for God you must also be for them. When you get baptized as a JW you must pledge allegiance to "the Spirited directed organization". Look it up!

I would be interested to hear what they have to say about that. I mean particularly, that, "as a JW you must pledge allegiance to "the Spirited directed organization"

 

[savagewind]

Historical changes to the Watchtower Baptism Arrangement and Questions

Bible - Matthew 28:19

"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the holy spirit".


Watchtower - 1985 Jun 1 p.30

"The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."