God and heaven and hell in the After Life: if it turns to be true of false?

[Aupmanyav]

Kinda hard to say....I AM!....with nothing to show for it.

That is the basic problem.

.. and something cannot arise from nothing. First law of thermodynamics.

Don't bet on it. Actually, that is the only possible solution to the problem.

 

[Thief]

That is the basic problem.

Problem solved......let there be light!

 

[Unification]

and spirit must operate within the rules of chemistry?

then God has a body....somewhere....
He is then subject to a law of existence.

I don't think so, as it is said of Him.....was, is and shall always be.

Physical things are subjected to laws of nature (God's laws)
Spirit is not physical.
God(consciousness and life)... Which was(consciousness/life) and is(consciousness/life) and is to come(consciousness/life).

Existence is comprised of three components: energy (motion), matter, and consciousness. Essentially these are all one. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Matter is neither created nor destroyed. Consciousness is neither created nor destroyed. We cannot have the one without the other. In order for consciousness to “be,” a vehicle (body) is needed. As matter (the body) is put into motion (energy) consciousness has the chance to experience, eventually given rise to self awareness.

 

[Thief]

Physical things are subjected to laws of nature (God's laws)
Spirit is not physical.
God(consciousness and life)... Which was(consciousness/life) and is(consciousness/life) and is to come(consciousness/life).

Existence is comprised of three components: energy (motion), matter, and consciousness. Essentially these are all one. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Matter is neither created nor destroyed. Consciousness is neither created nor destroyed. We cannot have the one without the other. In order for consciousness to “be,” a vehicle (body) is needed. As matter (the body) is put into motion (energy) consciousness has the chance to experience, eventually given rise to self awareness.

So God needed His creation to say.....I AM!
But does He abide within a body?
I think not.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Problem solved......let there be light!

I was talking of the problem and had not offered any solution. The possible solution is there in my edit to the post (something can arise out of nothing).

 

[Thief]

I was talking of the problem and had not offered any solution. The possible solution is there in my edit to the post (something can arise out of nothing).

and the solution is then......creation?

 

[Unification]

So God needed His creation to say.....I AM!
But does He abide within a body?
I think not.

Don't "think."

Being conscious and alive is not separate from body.

Pulling scriptures out such as you have, why don't you search where "God" abides. Where the tabernacle of God truly is.

"I am." =
The very nature of God. The phrase “I AM THAT I AM” is meant to be understood metaphysically, it means God is BEING. BEING is that which is both the un-manifested (spirit) and that which is manifested (physical matter) at the same time. God is the sum total of both, the unborn infinite potential and the creation.

I'm not sure what kind of image you've created of what and who "God" is but it gives the false impression of the infinite, God cannot be represented by any form (things). Contrary to popular belief, God does not have a body separate from his creation. He is the sum total of it all.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

That is just how things are, at least now (and have always been to me far as I can remember). I have honestly never come across any arguments for either the existence or the desirability of an afterlife that I could muster much sympathy for... and quite a few are indeed disgusting, clear evidence of very misguided and harmful beliefs.

I'm going to post something here without research, and based purely on memory, so hopefully I am somewhere close to the mark, but I believe at least some of the Native American tribes saw the afterlife as something everyone reached, regardless of their actions on earth.
This did encourage them to take certain retrubutions on earth, of course...lol

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There is no glory in being human.

But if there is no glory in being human, why would human qualities be found in the next life?
And that doesn't answer my question. If I am correct in assuming you are implying that humans are transformed into spiritual beings, then how would we function? What would happen of us? We are the way we are because we are human. If we cease to be human, we become something entirely different. Thus, we, or rather more specifically, "I," must cease to exist in order for this transformation to occur because "I" is a brain. Not unless you attach something that is needless onto it. That, however, is to open up a flood gate of questions.

 

[Smart_Guy]

In spirit?....or in flesh?
I think to rise from the grave.... is done in spirit.

In my beliefs, it happens in the flesh. There is lots to say about the nature of this resurrection in my beliefs and it is not pretty. But perhaps even if it is in spirit, there still can be blessing and torture that be inflicted upon it.

 

[shawn001]

Update: dear All, please re-read the OP and the subject.



Yes, thank you for the heads up. I edited the titles and the poll. Now the vote can be changed.

Reading the responses I saw that they were based on believing in God leads to heaven and disbelieving in Him leads to hell. But with the said flow in the OP, I might have misunderstood them.

Please have a look at it again. Further feedback is highly appreciated.

What about a third one "believing in the wrong God" and heaven and hell?

 

[Aupmanyav]

and the solution is then......creation?

Where and what is creation? That is only our perception. Existence of 'what is' (Brahman) itself gives rise to all perceptions.

What about a third one "believing in the wrong God" and heaven and hell?

For me there are no Gods (or Godesses), right or wrong. Consequently, no heaven or hell as well.

 

[shawn001]

There is also this thought.

"Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?' Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.' Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?'"

Annie Dillard

 

[shawn001]

What about a third one "believing in the wrong God" and heaven and hell?

Everyone thinks the God they personally believe in is the right one of course. But what if its not...

 

[Smart_Guy]

What about a third one "believing in the wrong God" and heaven and hell?

Oh, I don't use expressions like "wrong god". Maybe we do believe that a specific god is the one true god, but that's a belief that we should not impose on others. I always respected other beliefs.

The poll is about the concept of God and heaven and hell, not debating them.

 

[Bunyip]

I couldn't pick an answer - I don't see how it makes a difference.

 

[shawn001]

Oh, I don't use expressions like "wrong god". Maybe we do believe that a specific god is the one true god, but that's a belief that we should not impose on others. I always respected other beliefs.

The poll is about the concept of God and heaven and hell, not debating them.

I do understand, but that another issue with the questions. But I'll leave it be.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Septuagint may have been a collection, but it wasnt a cannon. The books which were important in the worship of Jehovah were the ones put together by the priesthood.
Other writings available at the time (just as there are many religious books available to us today) were not viewed by the priests as Gods Word. Thats the difference.

Do you view the DaVinci Code as Gods Word? Obviously not. What about the many letters sent by the pope to the bishops....do you view them as Gods Word? Would you include them in the bible?

Because thats what is being done by including the Apocrypha writings in the bible cannon.

The Rabbinic Jewish canon wasn't finalized until after Christ's lifetime. Priests had nothing to do with it since it happened after the destruction of the Temple. Rabbinical Judaism didn't really come into being until long after Christ died, as well, as it grew out of the Pharisee sect. The NT writers quoted from "apocryphal" books: Non-canonical books referenced in the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Septuagint was the most widely used Christian version of the OT for many centuries (except for Jerome's Latin Vulgate in the West) starting the from the NT era.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I do understand, but that another issue with the questions. But I'll leave it be.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude saying that's in not about debating them.
Please keep in mind that I'm always open to criticism. You're welcome to it anytime

 

[shawn001]

Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude saying that's in not about debating them.
Please keep in mind that I'm always open to criticism. You're welcome to it anytime

You weren't rude. No worries, I didn't take it that way at all.

"Please keep in mind that I'm always open to criticism."

Better say constructive criticism.