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Loving God = Eternal Torture?

Simplelogic

Simplelogic

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truthofscripture said:
Never learning about God is one thing, but learning about Him and not believing, is yet another, deserving of destruction.
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Unfortunately. Mainstream Christianity maintains that all people who don't know Jesus will be tortured forever. Regardless of whether or not they knew about Jesus.
 
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truthofscripture

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Simplelogic said:
In my assessment of the Hebrew scriptures and Jesus words (minus Paul). There are three categories of humans when it comes to salvation. Contrary to the common viewpoint of their being two groups of people. Those who believe in Jesus (group 1) and those who don't (group 2).

In my opinion there is actually three groups of humans.

Group one: These are people who are good in heart and live honest lives. They help others and are sincere in heart. Many of these people have never heard of Jesus and many may practice a completely different faith even! Yet these people will be resurrected and will not be destroyed.

Group two: These people are evil people who pray on the innocent. These people will be destroyed by God imho.

Group three: These people are God's law abiding citizens who walk in all of His statutes. These people will be given a special place in the kingdom of God that other humans will not have.

To see the full argument made for this model see:

What's at stake
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There is no minus Paul. Either the ENTIRETY of God's inspired word is correct, or NONE of it is correct. You cannot discount one single word and honor Jehovah.
 
Simplelogic

Simplelogic

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The Torah tells us that we are PROHIBITED from following those who teach against the law of Moses. Deut 13. So Paul fails the test. Thankfully, Jesus/Yeshua does not fail the test. He believed in keeping the whole law of Moses. So did his choses twelve apostles. Remember, Paul never met Jesus while he was on earth, nor was he one of the twelve apostles. I loose nothing by rejecting Paul.
 
Simplelogic

Simplelogic

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truthofscripture said:
There is no minus Paul. Either the ENTIRETY of God's inspired word is correct, or NONE of it is correct. You cannot discount one single word and honor Jehovah.
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"All or nothing?

Much of Christianity works from the premise that the Bible as a whole is the infallible word of God. But no sooner does one begin to question some part of it than a Bible believing Christian indicates that to reject any one part of the Bible is to render the entire book irrelevant. The flow of logic supposes that if one part can be rejected, then it's open season to reject any part one doesn't like. Therefore the Bible as a whole is viewed as God's flawless revelation to man. While on the surface this logic sounds reasonable, it is not necessarily true. Besides calling for the reckless abandon of blind faith in a book, a practice that isn't any more credible than Islam's faith in the Koran, it is also interesting to note that in demanding this standard, Christianity has tied its own noose. There are atheists who would like to discredit the entire book, and there are many Jews who would like to discredit the New Testament. So if either group can demonstrate even one little error in the New Testament they both win by Christianity's own standards! Christian teachers need to come to grips with the fact that there are numerous significant errors that cannot be reconciled with the classic bend-over-backwards apologetics of the past. Visit any atheistic or Jewish anti-missionary website and brace yourself. By demonstrating error in the Bible, those opposed to God and Christianity have proven that the New Testament is no longer the infallible word of God. These now have legitimate grounds on which to continue rejecting the truth that the Bible does contain. Christianity has to a large degree handed them this logic and win on a silver platter. Speaking for myself, I no longer begin with the premise that the Bible is infallible cover to cover. Blind faith in any book is dangerous. But what I believe to be the truth is far more objective than being a simple matter of picking and choosing what suits any particular fancy. Here are the presuppositions that I work from;

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel is the one true Most High God, and the creator of the heavens and earth.

His word is truth, and it can be found in the books of Moses, and the prophets, as well as in the words of Yeshua. What these men actually said never conflicts with the others. Yeshua's words would be the same as those found in red in a red-letter edition Bible.

The truth will always be consistent with itself with no contradictions. It is therefore assumed, that in the rare cases when contradiction is found, it is due to man's influence over the centuries. These contradictions are almost never more than one passage standing against numerous others, and the favor always goes with the majority." What is the word of God
 
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truthofscripture

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Me Myself said:
Omnipotence makes everything easy by definitin. Thus as established, a God that allows eternal torture to exist, is deliberately diabolic.
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No, God allowing evil to exist isn't diabolic. No eternal torture exists. It's not possible. In order for such a thing to exist, humans would need to have an immortal soul. Since soul and life are synonyms, and when alive we ARE a living soul, there's nothing that can be eternally tortured. And since hell isn't a place of eternal torture, it is the common grave of mankind, there's no place to torture the non-existent immortal soul.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

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truthofscripture said:
It is. You can't have something both ways. It's the same as saying the light is both on and off at the same time. Makes no sense at all.
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It depends on what you see as honor and what you see as dishonor. You equated accepting his word as honor and rejecting it as dishonor. He said he does both. Hence, there you have it. He is not alone either. A lot of people pick and choose.
 
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truthofscripture

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Me Myself said:
It depends on what you see as honor and what you see as dishonor. You equated accepting his word as honor and rejecting it as dishonor. He said he does both. Hence, there you have it. He is not alone either. A lot of people pick and choose.
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Scripturaly speaking, honoring Jehovah INCLUDES accepting Him, His written word, and His son. Not accepting any of those is included in the list of things that dishonor Jehovah.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

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truthofscripture said:
Not possible. You are simply being contrary.
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That´s merely your view on it. What you ve said so far makes it easy to see how both would be possible together, if you cant see it, you cant see it. You certainly arent making a case for yourself. anyways, this is not what the thread is about .
 
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truthofscripture

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Me Myself said:
That´s merely your view on it. What you ve said so far makes it easy to see how both would be possible together, if you cant see it, you cant see it. You certainly arent making a case for yourself. anyways, this is not what the thread is about .
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There seems to be no benefit to conversing with you at all. I could have a better conversation with a petulent teenager.
 
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