If God Tells You He's Sending You To Hell

[Estro Felino]

Well, since I am a supporter of free will, I say this is impossible. It's not God who decides where you will "go" when you die. God doesn't punish nor awards, because he hasn't the power to do it.
We have free will not by God' concession, but because any creature is born with free will.

So the afterlife is determined by our free will, or better by our choices. When you die, all your memory is retained in your soul. That is, if your soul is full of hatred towards the others and full of evil actions you did, you will be remembering all the evil you did to others for eternity. You will be imprisoned in your own hatred.
That's what people improperly call Hell.

If your life has been full of love towards the others, you will be feeling that love forever.

I can't see how God can determine or decide our afterlife. It's impossible.

 

[Bunyip]

I'm a Christian, not an ancient Israelite so it's rather stupid to quote the Mosaic Law to me.

Now, when it comes to the verses talking about sinful we all are, you need to acquaint yourself with a concept called repentance.

Jesus states specifically that he came to fulfill the old laws and not to change a word of them. Not necessary to call me stupid. You need to aquaint yourself with a concept called charm.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jesus states specifically that he came to fulfill the old laws and not to change a word of them. Not necessary to call me stupid. You need to aquaint yourself with a concept called charm.

Yes, He came to fulfill the Law. In Christian belief, the Law was a precursor to Christ, meant to convict men of their sins and set apart the Israelites as a holy nation that prepares the way of the Lord. Christ was on a mission. His death was that mission. Through His death, all of humanity is invited to a new Covenant of Grace won by Jesus Christ.

Saying that you're doing something stupid is not the same as calling you stupid. Stop being so sensitive.

 

[Bunyip]

Yes, He came to fulfill the Law. In Christian belief, the Law was a precursor to Christ, meant to convict men of their sins and set apart the Israelites as a holy nation that prepares the way of the Lord. Christ was on a mission. His death was that mission. Through His death, all of humanity is invited to a new Covenant of Grace won by Jesus Christ.

Saying that you're doing something stupid is not the same as calling you stupid. Stop being so sensitive.

I'm not sensitive buddy - you just tend to be unecessarily rude.

Jesus states specifically that the old laws still stand. The commandments were not invalidated by Jesus, they were confirmed.

 

[Blackdog22]

Well, since I am a supporter of free will, I say this is impossible. It's not God who decides where you will "go" when you die. God doesn't punish nor awards, because he hasn't the power to do it.
We have free will not by God' concession, but because any creature is born with free will.

So the afterlife is determined by our free will, or better by our choices. When you die, all your memory is retained in your soul. That is, if your soul is full of hatred towards the others and full of evil actions you did, you will be remembering all the evil you did to others for eternity. You will be imprisoned in your own hatred.
That's what people improperly call Hell.

If your life has been full of love towards the others, you will be feeling that love forever.

I can't see how God can determine or decide our afterlife. It's impossible.

Okay, I have no evidence for God and choose not to follow what he says for a number of great reasons that make sense to me personally. I also choose not to go to hell. The ball is now in Gods court, where do I go?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not sensitive buddy - you just tend to be unecessarily rude.

I didn't call you stupid, like I said. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop misconstruing my words.

Jesus states specifically that the old laws still stand. The commandments were not invalidated by Jesus, they were confirmed.

No, He didn't say that. He said "fulfill".

ful·fill

verb \fu̇(l)-ˈfil also fə(l)-\ : to do what is required by (something, such as a promise or a contract)
: to succeed in doing or providing (something)
: to succeed in achieving (something) : to make (something, such as a dream) true or real



Jesus brought the Law to its perfection and fulness.

Why Jesus came to ‘complete the law’, not abolish it | CatholicHerald.co.uk
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Catholic Culture

 

[Estro Felino]

Okay, I have no evidence for God and choose not to follow what he says for a number of great reasons that make sense to me personally. I also choose not to go to hell. The ball is now in Gods court, where do I go?

Well, how could I know? Only you can. You are supposed to read in your soul, and find out if there is love or hatred. You have to interrogate yourself about the sense of your life. If your soul is full of positive purposes, love toward the others, altruism, good deeds, it's almost impossible that you go to Hell.
Remember: in the afterlife we will be facing all the evil we did to others. If your conscience is clean, what are you afraid of?

In other words: when we die, we go inside our soul. If you can imagine your soul as a place, you can find out how your afterlife will be.

 

[Blackdog22]

Well, how could I know? Only you can. You are supposed to read in your soul, and find out if there is love or hatred. You have to interrogate yourself about the sense of your life. If your soul is full of positive purposes, love toward the others, altruism, good deeds, it's almost impossible that you go to Hell.
Remember: in the afterlife we will be facing all the evil we did to others. If your conscience is clean, what are you afraid of?

I like this idea.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, how could I know? Only you can. You are supposed to read in your soul, and find out if there is love or hatred. You have to interrogate yourself about the sense of your life. If your soul is full of positive purposes, love toward the others, altruism, good deeds, it's almost impossible that you go to Hell.
Remember: in the afterlife we will be facing all the evil we did to others. If your conscience is clean, what are you afraid of?

Can you please explain to me why you bother to say you're a Catholic when you strip God of His authority, throw out the need for Christ's sacrifice and our need for redemption? You have completely cut out the foundation of Catholicism.

 

[Bunyip]

I didn't call you stupid, like I said. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop misconstruing my words.



No, He didn't say that. He said "fulfill".

ful·fill

verb \fu̇(l)-ˈfil also fə(l)-\ : to do what is required by (something, such as a promise or a contract)
: to succeed in doing or providing (something)
: to succeed in achieving (something) : to make (something, such as a dream) true or real



Jesus brought the Law to its perfection and fulness.

Why Jesus came to ‘complete the law’, not abolish it | CatholicHerald.co.uk
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Catholic Culture

Mathew 5:17 DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW

That Jesus fulfills the old laws, does not mean that the command,ents no longer apply. Jesus states specifically that he does not abolish the old laws.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Mathew 5:17 DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW

That Jesus fulfills the old laws, does not mean that the command,ents no longer apply. Jesus states specifically that he does not abolish the old laws.

You can keep repeating your misunderstanding of that verse all you please. I've posted resources explaining it. This tired old tactic is old hat to me.

 

[Bunyip]

You can keep repeating your misunderstanding of that verse all you please. I've posted resources explaining it. This tired old tactic is old hat to me.

That would make more sense if I said it to you.

The bible does not argue that the commandments need no longer be obeyed.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That would make more sense if I said it to you.

The bible does not argue that the commandments need no longer be obeyed.

Oh, okay. I'll completely ignore centuries of Christian teaching and what it says in the Bible and believe what an atheist on a message board who doesn't understand Christianity has to say. Mmhmm.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians 3&version=RSVCE

 

[Bunyip]

Oh, okay. I'll completely ignore centuries of Christian teaching and what it says in the Bible and believe what an atheist on a message board who doesn't understand Christianity has to say. Mmhmm.

I was a Catholic for many years. I would guess that I have a far better knowledge of the bible than you do.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was a Catholic for many years. I would guess that I have a far better knowledge of the bible than you do.

Lol, obviously not if you're repeating falsehoods. I don't care if you were a cradle Catholic. That doesn't mean you actually were educated in your former faith.

 

[Estro Felino]

Can you please explain to me why you bother to say you're a Catholic when you strip God of His authority, throw out the need for Christ's sacrifice and our need for redemption? You have completely cut out the foundation of Catholicism.

Well, as I said, I am always criticized by Catholics, given that my view is officially heretical. I clearly claim that Augustine's theology sounds absolutely anti-Christian to me, that's why I've chosen Pelagianism.
I don't intend to diminish God's authority; I deeply believe in free will, so when God decided to give freedom to all of his creation, he decided not to interfere with human history. That's why I deny that Christ's sacrifice was necessary or that it was meant to be; the crucifixion was decided by Caiaphas and God had nothing to do with it.
I consider myself a Catholic because I join the Catholic Church. When I want to go to Mass, I go to a Catholic Church. It's the only option, given that there are no Pelagian churches. But I love Catholicism: I was raised in a Catholic family; I deeply believe that pope Francis is a wonderful person. Catholicism says that works are necessary for salvation; Pelagius said that we get our salvation through our merits. So there is no substantial difference.

 

[Mycroft]

No. He seems like an ***.

So now...what is "Hell", exactly?

Got a brochure, or a manual?

Are those billions upon billions of lights in the sky illusions, or Hell? Something else? I'm kinda tired of speculating...

Tell us all so we can plan accordingly, ok?

Otherwise, ****.

Thank you.

Of course there is none. Any mention of it only appears in the Bible. As does any mention of Lucifer being evil. It's all a bit of a one-sided story, isn't it?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Well, since I am a supporter of free will, I say this is impossible. It's not God who decides where you will "go" when you die. God doesn't punish nor awards, because he hasn't the power to do it.

So you do not believe God is omnipotent.

If your life has been full of love towards the others, you will be feeling that love forever.

I can't see how God can determine or decide our afterlife. It's impossible.

While God doesn't have to be the determiner of our afterlife, God certainly can know what is determined for our afterlife. If he can't, he is neither omnipotent or omniscient.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Hmm. I feel like this thread has moved far from its original topic.

 

[Draupadi]

I would be partially angry with Him because He couldn't forgive me (I haven't committed great sins like murder) and because His laws are quite hard to follow. But I will also blame myself for it and although I will enter hell, I will have to be made to do it . Who wants to suffer right?

Now where is Fear God to criticise me that I am not a good Muslim ?