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If God Tells You He's Sending You To Hell

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by The Sum of Awe, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    Let's say, hypothetically, regardless of which God as long as you had a view on the afterlife that is applicable.

    That your God tells you that you'll inevitably end up in hell. Would you still love him? (P.S. You are positive it isn't a test)

    If so, what if he told you that AND told you that he wont do anything about it because freewill apparently has more value than people. Would you still?
     
  2. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Spiritual Anarchist Premium Member

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    Lol, if you're going to hell, you obviously don't love God so this hypothetical doesn't make a bit of sense.
     
  3. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    No. He seems like an ***.

    So now...what is "Hell", exactly?

    Got a brochure, or a manual?

    Are those billions upon billions of lights in the sky illusions, or Hell? Something else? I'm kinda tired of speculating...

    Tell us all so we can plan accordingly, ok?

    Otherwise, ****.

    Thank you.
     
  4. Bunyip

    Bunyip pro scapegoat

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    But the bible tells us that most go to hell, it is where most believers end up. Loving god does not mean that you will not go to hell.
     
  5. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Spiritual Anarchist Premium Member

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    Where does the Bible does that? Post the verse(s). I've never heard this.
     
  6. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    Ask 3 different people, get 3 different answers. I think, and many agree, it is basically a cop out that loving god is all you needed to redeem.
     
  7. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Spiritual Anarchist Premium Member

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    Who says that? Maybe a certain type of Protestant fundamentalist but the vast majority of Christians don't believe that.
     
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    xkatz Edgy Plebeian

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  9. yoda89

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    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23

    Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15
     
  10. Madhuri

    Madhuri RF Goddess Staff Member Premium Member

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    I don't think that any religion believes that God sends people to hell even if they love him. But I would not love a god that sends people to hell simply for not loving him.
     
  11. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John 5:29 - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    John 5:28 - Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    John 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

    John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.

    Luke 22:36 - Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    Luke 16:24 - And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    Luke 16:19-31 - There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: (Read More...)

    Luke 12:48 - But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

    Luke 10:30-37 - And Jesus answering said, A certain [man] went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead. (Read More...)

    Luke 10:27 - And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

    Matthew 5:38-39 - Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Read More...)

    Matthew 5:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Malachi 3:6 - For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    Psalms 127:1 - (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [but] in vain.

    Psalms 6:5 - For in death [there is] no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

    Job 14:13 - O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!

    Revelation 19:7-9 - Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (Read More...)

    Revelation 1:18 - I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly


    and then...you offer.... more?
     
  12. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Spiritual Anarchist Premium Member

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    Yes, and? That's talking about hypocrites, who didn't really love God. If you truly love God, you will do His will and put that love into action.
     
  13. The Sum of Awe

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    I thought you were implying that.

    Either someone who loves God can go to hell, or else your sins are forgiven simply by the love of the lord.
     
  14. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Many yet quotes available from "redeemers". Tou wanna go there?
     
  15. The Sum of Awe

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    His will is not clear enough, otherwise everyone wouldn't have interpretation.
     
  16. s2a

    s2a Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator

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    Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John 5:29 - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    John 5:28 - Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    John 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

    John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.

    Luke 22:36 - Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    Luke 16:24 - And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    Luke 16:19-31 - There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: (Read More...)

    Luke 12:48 - But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

    Luke 10:30-37 - And Jesus answering said, A certain [man] went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead. (Read More...)

    Luke 10:27 - And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

    Matthew 5:38-39 - Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Read More...)

    Matthew 5:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Malachi 3:6 - For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    Psalms 127:1 - (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [but] in vain.

    Psalms 6:5 - For in death [there is] no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

    Job 14:13 - O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!

    Revelation 19:7-9 - Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (Read More...)

    Revelation 1:18 - I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly


    and then...you offer.... more?
     
  17. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Spiritual Anarchist Premium Member

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    It starts with love and belief in God, but it's not supposed to end there. You're supposed to do things that flow from that. It calls for a radical transformation of your life.
     
  18. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Spiritual Anarchist Premium Member

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    Catholics, the Orthodox and most Protestants agree on what His will is. That's the vast majority of all Christians right there. It's really not that difficult.
     
  19. Bunyip

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    Sure.
    Have you ever worked on the Sabbath? Worn poly/cotton clothing? Are you a rich man?

    All of those sins will likely send you to hell.

    Also Deuteronomy 23, 1-2. Tells us that nobody who has lost their testicles or penis can enter heaven, nor can ten generations of their descendants.

    Rev 21:8, Mark 10:25 , Romans 3:10 tells us that no one is fit for heaven. Romans 3:23. First Corinthians 6 9-11.
     
  20. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Spiritual Anarchist Premium Member

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    I'm a Christian, not an ancient Israelite so it's rather stupid to quote the Mosaic Law to me.

    Now, when it comes to the verses talking about sinful we all are, you need to acquaint yourself with a concept called repentance.
     
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