Athiests and Agnostics, your decisive moment

[Tiapan]

It is said that if a child left to grow alone with his set of beliefs, he would grow up to believe in the existence of God.

I guess this proves ignorance is bliss

Cheers

 

[Sabour]

Incompatible-Properties Arguments: A Survey

The link is about the lists of contradictions that i am talking about.

Actually I would have preferred of you would put them in your own words. Just in few words.

I read some of the concepts.

I would say that there always must be a balance between things. There must be a balance between reward and punishment because different people are motivated by different things.

Can you reply with your concerns in your own words, I think I would be in a better position to understand.

I think we would do well to first establish in which meaningful senses a religion can be right or wrong.

Well okay. But what about you start defining. In your thoughts, what a religion need to touch on. And if you can don't be too broad.

 

[edwinic]

I love to reply in my own words, but im in mobile phone at the moment.

 

[Nakosis]

Hello Guys.

I had a question in mind for atheists and agnostics.

It is said that if a child left to grow alone with his set of beliefs, he would grow up to believe in the existence of God.

In addition, most of your parents weren't atheists nor agnostics.

So my question is, what are the things that made you become atheist/agnostic.

The very first moment that you have decided on this subject, what was before that?

Appreciate your responses.

I think most people are not entirely aware of all of the influences that their thinking results from.

Today there is a lot more exposure to different religious views, why wouldn't someone start to question them all.

What started me to question the religion of my parents was the hypocrisy of the religious leadership. Not even fair. I come across some really great religious leaders, but you start down the road of questioning and trying to verify you'll usually come to find there is no solid foundation for the religion.

Maybe I'll ask my son who claims to not believe in any of it. I suspect the reason why is seeing religious folk doing dumb things for which there is no good reason for other then their faith.

 

[Sabour]

I love to reply in my own words, but im in mobile phone at the moment.

I am ready when you want.

Today there is a lot more exposure to different religious views, why wouldn't someone start to question them all.

Well I think questioning them all can't be done. A better approach would be setting clear way to approach the religions. There are somethings one would not in any certain way believe. This will help eliminating some religions immediately and will help saving time.

What started me to question the religion of my parents was the hypocrisy of the religious leadership. Not even fair. I come across some really great religious leaders, but you start down the road of questioning and trying to verify you'll usually come to find there is no solid foundation for the religion.

I don't think observing people would help understand a religion unless they are real followers. But looking in the religion itself will.

Maybe I'll ask my son who claims to not believe in any of it. I suspect the reason why is seeing religious folk doing dumb things for which there is no good reason for other then their faith.

How old is he ?

 

[9Westy9]

I dunno religion touches on many things.

Like maybe existence of Jesus peace be upon him?

I don't know what exactly the bible teaches

I believe a man named Jesus existed at the time.

 

[Sabour]

I believe a man named Jesus existed at the time.

Well okay who do you think he was? Between the concepts of trinity, son of god, normal man, profit? What do you believe his message was? Questions like that?

 

[9Westy9]

Well okay who do you think he was? Between the concepts of trinity, son of god, normal man, profit? What do you believe his message was? Questions like that?

I'm not a historian so I'm not entirely sure. I reckon he was probably some form of teacher rather than a miracle worker.

 

[Sabour]

I'm not a historian so I'm not entirely sure. I reckon he was probably some form of teacher rather than a miracle worker.

Well if you are not a historian and you don't believe in the bible, what makes you believe that he existed? Besides if you believe that he did exist why did you leave christianity and go to being an Atheist/Agnostic ?

 

[9Westy9]

Well if you are not a historian and you don't believe in the bible, what makes you believe that he existed? Besides if you believe that he did exist why did you leave christianity and go to being an Atheist/Agnostic ?

Because most historians agree that he existed. I left Christianity after questioning what I believe more.

 

[Desert Snake]

Because most historians agree that he existed. I left Christianity after questioning what I believe more.

I don't think that changes the questions, I've never been a "Christian" as how people understand that, but still question Christian subjects.
I tend to lean to your idea, a real Jesus, but as to credibility of the
argument, I'm not totally convinced.

 

[Sabour]

Because most historians agree that he existed. I left Christianity after questioning what I believe more.

Well ok sorry for being direct in my question.

You said that you believe that Jesus peace be upon him existed and you left Christianity. Did you consider Islam at this stage and see what it has to say about Jesus peace be upon him?

Why you went to what you are not instead of considering other religions or beliefs?

I mentioned Islam because anybody who doesn't believe in the prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him is not a muslim

 

[9Westy9]

Well ok sorry for being direct in my question.

no problem

You said that you believe that Jesus peace be upon him existed and you left Christianity. Did you consider Islam at this stage and see what it has to say about Jesus peace be upon him?

Not really. I went to deism before leaving any faith in god(s)

Why you went to what you are not instead of considering other religions or beliefs?

Natural progression

I mentioned Islam because anybody who doesn't believe in the prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him is not a muslim

Fair enough

 

[Sabour]

no problem



Not really. I went to deism before leaving any faith in god(s)



Natural progression



Fair enough

Well okay, there isn't too much that I can say. Anyways if interested about the subject Check out the thread is Jesus Jesus

 

[Sabour]

I don't think that changes the questions, I've never been a "Christian"

I didn't know that

 

[Desert Snake]

I didn't know that

I believe in many of the teachings.
I think some do consider that 'Christian',
so, depends on the persons opinion
I think.

 

[Sabour]

I believe in many of the teachings.
I think some do consider that 'Christian',
so, depends on the persons opinion
I think.

I find that strange

 

[LuisDantas]

I find that strange

Most people in the Americas are born and raised surrounded by Christian communities.

It is all but impossible for us not to hear of Jesus, although the actual level of awareness of the Bible's contents and the perspectives regarding Christianity can vary quite a lot.

Many people feel unconfortable with the idea of being Christians, for one reason or another. Far too many end up being pressured into playing the role regardless of actual beliefs. You wouldn't believe how many of my fellow atheists, myself included, have in fact taken Eucharist despite never having been believers. Social pressure is just that high, often to the point of reaching actual inability to accept that unbelievers exist in the first place.

While such a state of things often chastises us to the point that we do not want anything to do with Christianity, it is also possible and even usual to be aware of many teachings associated with Christianity and sympathise with them to some degree without feeling any great desire to join a Christian belief.

Much of Christianity would be better off and more effective if it disassociated itself of the idea of being Christian.



As an aside, I wonder what reading the above feels like for someone raised Muslim in a Muslim community. I have recently learned that apparently Muslim societies find it rude to either be an outspoken atheist or to point out that someone is not being a good holder of Muslim beliefs.

That, in my view, is as well-meaning a stance as it is an unfortunate, misguided one. People should not be rejected or denied like that.

To refuse to acknowledge even the broadest outlines of their faith stances is to reject them at a very deep level, and not at all a respectful or compassionate act.

 

[Sabour]

Most people in the Americas are born and raised surrounded by Christian communities.

It is all but impossible for us not to hear of Jesus, although the actual level of awareness of the Bible's contents and the perspectives regarding Christianity can vary quite a lot.

Many people feel unconfortable with the idea of being Christians, for one reason or another. Far too many end up being pressured into playing the role regardless of actual beliefs. You wouldn't believe how many of my fellow atheists, myself included, have in fact taken Eucharist despite never having been believers. Social pressure is just that high, often to the point of reaching actual inability to accept that unbelievers exist in the first place.

While such a state of things often chastises us to the point that we do not want anything to do with Christianity, it is also possible and even usual to be aware of many teachings associated with Christianity and sympathise with them to some degree without feeling any great desire to join a Christian belief.

Much of Christianity would be better off and more effective if it disassociated itself of the idea of being Christian.



As an aside, I wonder what reading the above feels like for someone raised Muslim in a Muslim community. I have recently learned that apparently Muslim societies find it rude to either be an outspoken atheist or to point out that someone is not being a good holder of Muslim beliefs.

That, in my view, is as well-meaning a stance as it is an unfortunate, misguided one. People should not be rejected or denied like that.

To refuse to acknowledge even the broadest outlines of their faith stances is to reject them at a very deep level, and not at all a respectful or compassionate act.

Well about the muslim part it is complicated LoL. I would say that most of muslims will have their eyes wide open when they hear that someone is an atheist. It is like why do you believe that :areyoucra.


Well let me speak about my society. I see a lot of people expressing their thoughts and disagreeing with Islam. Reactions differ. But majority see that normal... I don't know if I am making the idea clear


And let me ask you, did we have a discussion where I mentioned Gary Miller for you and provided you with a link about his thoughts about Islam or am I mistaken ?

 

[Iti oj]

studying science, history, and religion lead to my atheism.