Who taught Christianity to Paul?

[steeltoes]

I think you'll find that he does:

Ephesians 19:1*Certainly, therefore, YOU are no longer strangers and alien residents, but YOU are fellow citizens of the holy ones and are members of the household of God, 20*and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.

Galatians 2:8*for He who gave Peter powers necessary for an apostleship to those who are circumcised gave powers also to me for those who are of the nations; 9*yes, when they came to know the undeserved kindness that was given me, James and Ce′phas and John, the ones who seemed to be pillars, gave me and Bar′na·bas the right hand of sharing together, that we should go to the nations, but they to those who are circumcised.

Galatians 1:18*Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to visit Ce′phas, and I stayed with him for fifteen days. 19*But I saw no one else of the apostles, only James the brother of the Lord.

1Corinthians 15:3*For I handed on to YOU, among the first things, that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; 4*and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures; 5*and that he appeared to Ce′phas, then to the twelve....7*After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8*but last of all he appeared also to me



Romans 16:7*Greet An·dron′i·cus and Ju′ni·as my relatives and my fellow captives, who are men of note among the apostles and who have been in union with Christ longer than I have.

and that he appeared to Ce′phas, then to the twelve....7*After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8*but last of all he appeared also to me


We don't know what Paul means by ''the twelve" and in any event, he does not associate "the twelve" with "all the apostles."

 

[steeltoes]

Paul wanted to be a real apstle in a very bad way.

He died with that want.

From Paul we read that apostles like himself and Peter were appointed or called on by God, so Paul was as much as an apostle as anyone.

 

[fantome profane]

From Paul we read that apostles like himself and Peter were appointed or called on by God, so Paul was as much as an apostle as anyone.

As I said, the only one who called Paul an apostle was Paul.

 

[outhouse]

I dunno. I think anyone can be an apostle. It's easy, like being a prophet. All you have to do is claim you are an apostle or a prophet -- or both.

It's not like there are any such real things as apostles and prophets, after all. They're just labels we give ourselves.

Do you think there are such things as prophets -- meaning guys with special pipelines to God, through which God can send us actual, literal words?

Except for one thing, in Judaism prophet just means someone who goes out and talks to people.

It doesnt mean anything related to divinity or telling the future or a pipeline to any god.

What your stating is a later perversion of the word.

 

[outhouse]

lol, right.

Lets not mention the fact that he never included himself as one of Jesus 12 aposltes.

Who sent paul out to teach? only paul.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Except for one thing, in Judaism prophet just means someone who goes out and talks to people.

It doesnt mean anything related to divinity or telling the future or a pipeline to any god.

What your stating is a later perversion of the word.

Words don't pervert, outhouse. They just change from time to time and from mind to mind.

'Prophet' and 'apostle' didn't even exist in old Hebrew, I feel pretty sure.

 

[outhouse]

'Prophet' and 'apostle' didn't even exist in old Hebrew, I feel pretty sure.

They had a word that was equivalent to prophect.

They just change from time to time and from mind to mind.

And sometimes those changes are perversions of the original meaning

 

[ChristineES]

Even if Paul wasn't a true apostle, how would that prove he didn't learn about Christianity from the Apostles? He mentions Peter in some of his letters.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

They had a word that was equivalent to prophect.

If you say so. Of course, we couldn't with any confidence know exactly what any particular writer meant by that word.

And sometimes those changes are perversions of the original meaning

It hurts my ears for you to say a thing like that. 'Perversion' assumes that there was once a 'pure' or 'right' meaning for a word. Or even a 'set' meaning. But I'm afraid that's just illusion, outhouse. Language wasn't given to us by the gods in some pure form which later became perverted. There has never been a sacred dictionary. Language is our own creation. There are only fallible, individual humans struggling with words to try and express their meanings.

Please don't call my precious words perverted.

 

[outhouse]

Even if Paul wasn't a true apostle, how would that prove he didn't learn about Christianity from the Apostles? He mentions Peter in some of his letters.

Paul went out and hunted down the real apsotles according to his own words, did he not?


This is not some inoccent Hellenistic guy who was taking theology lessons from illiterate Galileans.

 

[outhouse]

If you say so. Of course, we couldn't with any confidence know exactly what any particular writer meant by that word.



It hurts my ears for you to say a thing like that. 'Perversion' assumes that there was once a 'pure' or 'right' meaning for a word. Or even a 'set' meaning. But I'm afraid that's just illusion, outhouse. Language wasn't given to us by the gods in some pure form which later became perverted. There has never been a sacred dictionary. Language is our own creation. There are only fallible, individual humans struggling with words to try and express their meanings.

Please don't call my precious words perverted.

Get over it, words are perverted all the time. When cross sultural oral tradition is applied, perversion is the norm.

 

[steeltoes]

Who sent paul out to teach? only paul.

Is there a point that you are trying make?

 

[fantome profane]

Even if Paul wasn't a true apostle, how would that prove he didn't learn about Christianity from the Apostles? He mentions Peter in some of his letters.

Yes he did meet with the apostles, but Paul himself claims that he didn't learn about Jesus from them. Perhaps Paul is lying about this, but that is what he wrote.

 

[steeltoes]

Yes he did meet with the apostles, but Paul himself claims that he didn't learn about Jesus from them. Perhaps Paul is lying about this, but that is what he wrote.

Paul wasn't impressed by the Jerusalem group, they agreed to disagree and go their own separate ways.

 

[fantome profane]

Paul wasn't impressed by the Jerusalem group, they agreed to disagree and go their own separate ways.

Yes that is right, and the "Jerusalem group" (James, Peter, John) were not impressed by Paul.

 

[steeltoes]

Yes that is right, and the "Jerusalem group" (James, Peter, John) were not impressed by Paul.

Paul wanted to include gentiles so of course the Jerusalem group was not impressed.

 

[fantome profane]

Paul wanted to include gentiles so of course the Jerusalem group was not impressed.

Right. The question is how do you think that Jesus would have felt about that issue? Would he have sided with Paul against the apostles? Against his own brother James the Just?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Get over it, words are perverted all the time. When cross sultural oral tradition is applied, perversion is the norm.

Oh boy. You're serious. I should have known.

There is no such thing as word perversion, outhouse. You really should get over it.

 

[outhouse]

Right. The question is how do you think that Jesus would have felt about that issue? Would he have sided with Paul against the apostles? Against his own brother James the Just?

We really dont know that he met with the real apostles.

Could have been a group with similar names, or paul building his own status as a apostle.

Since we only have pauls word on this, im skeptical

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Is there a point that you are trying make?

If only Paul sent Paul out to shout the gospel, it means that Paul did not have the proper certificate or license or whatever it was, stamped with the official seal, legalizing him as 'an apostle.'

Real apostles have their papers in order.