Why does Bible literalist ignore the multiple verses that declare God is going to ultimately save al

[Benoni]

It says we can choose life which is the ways of God. If we reject life we are left with just death. We really bring it on ourselves. God won't force Himself on us. If we reject God, we reject all that is good and have nothing left that is good. Only evil is left because we rejected the good. That has not changed, although the Law is finished for grace and truth has come by Jesus.

Where is the God of justice according to you?According to the Bible God will not at all acquit the wicked.
Nah. 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

How can people who reject Jesus be saved by Jesus?

Glad to see you back, I hate to see God's people cut and run because there religion is dead wrong and they get offended by the deeper truths.

I assume you are UPC, and for that reason spirit filled. God's Word is so much more.

The reason Jesus died on the cross was for all of our sins, and His precious blood is far greater than the little sin of Adam.

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

You keep quoting the OT which I love but you find little to none of God's grace in the OT, its there but quite often concealed.

It is our nature to reject Jesus as 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (Amp) so clealy pointed out. We are all under the curse of sin and death and a dead man spiritually cannot see, hear, smell, touch the spiritual world for he is dead in trustpasses and sin. God has to drag us out of our carnal state. That is called grace.

 

[Dinner123]

Glad to see you back, I hate to see God's people cut and run because there religion is dead wrong and they get offended by the deeper truths.

I assume you are UPC, and for that reason spirit filled. God's Word is so much more.

The reason Jesus died on the cross was for all of our sins, and His precious blood is far greater than the little sin of Adam.

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

You keep quoting the OT which I love but you find little to none of God's grace in the OT, its there but quite often concealed.

It is our nature to reject Jesus as 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (Amp) so clealy pointed out. We are all under the curse of sin and death and a dead man spiritually cannot see, hear, smell, touch the spiritual world for he is dead in trustpasses and sin. God has to drag us out of our carnal state. That is called grace.

heb. 6:1-2 ETERNAL JUDGMENT is part of the principles of the doctrine of Jesus.

Hebrews 10:26 Reject Jesus and you have no more sacrifice. Period.

 

[Benoni]

heb. 6:1-2 ETERNAL JUDGMENT is part of the principles of the doctrine of Jesus.

Hebrews 10:26 Reject Jesus and you have no more sacrifice. Period.

Perhaps your belief that it is part of the principles of the doctrine of Jesus.
But it was not His.


Luke 3: 6 (Amp) And all mankind shall see (behold and understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God (the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).

How can carnal man do anything but REJECT Jesus, He is carnal and spiritual things are foolishness to him?????

God's judgements are just, the word eternal is a bad translation, it should be age abiding judgement.

The word eteranl means you have no beginning and end, man had a beginning. So how can man be an eternal being???

 

[Dinner123]

Perhaps your belief that it is part of the principles of the doctrine of Jesus.
But it was not His.


Luke 3: 6 (Amp) And all mankind shall see (behold and understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God (the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).

How can carnal man do anything but REJECT Jesus, He is carnal and spiritual things are foolishness to him?????

God's judgements are just, the word eternal is a bad translation, it should be age abiding judgement.

The word eteranl means you have no beginning and end, man had a beginning. So how can man be an eternal being???

Then Heb 6:1-2 is wrong?

 

[Benoni]

Then Heb 6:1-2 is wrong?

So Luke 3: 6 is wrong??

 

[Dinner123]

So Luke 3: 6 is wrong??

That is the amplified version. Not the pure text. All will see Him. But, that doesn't mean they will be saved.

What does Elisha say to the doubter when he questions how God could provide bread so quickly? "Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but shalt not eat thereof."

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

Matthew 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


When He comes in the clouds He'll gather His elect. It doesn't say everyone. "many are called but few are chosen." Chosen = elect.

 

[Benoni]

That is the amplified version. Not the pure text. All will see Him. But, that doesn't mean they will be saved.

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Nothing wrong with the amplified version, not pure text? No such thing, unless you know the Greek.

That is what the Holy Spirit is for to lead and guide us into all truth. That’s pretty hard to do when you have made up your own mind.

Sure it does. A carnal man cannot see God.
1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (Amp) 13And we are setting these truths forth in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the [Holy] Spirit, combining and interpreting spiritual truths with spiritual language [to those who possess the Holy Spirit].
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
15But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

 

[Benoni]

That is the amplified version. Not the pure text. All will see Him. But, that doesn't mean they will be saved.

What does Elisha say to the doubter when he questions how God could provide bread so quickly? "Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but shalt not eat thereof."
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See: Greek... I understand what religion tries to tell (NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from) or (NT:4648 a watching from a distance); they claim you will only see the salvation of God; but turn on your spiritually understand and stop hearing what tradition is saying. The Jew’s are traditionalist; Christians should be mature spiritual sons with ears to hear and eyes to see beyond the carnal literal. See: with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable

See: Strong’s NT:3700 optanomai (op-tan'-om-ahee); a (middle voice) prolonged form of the primary (middle voice) optomai (op'-tom-ahee); which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternate of NT:3708; to gaze (i.e. with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable; and thus differing from NT:991, which denotes simply voluntary observation; and from NT:1492, which expresses merely mechanical, passive or casual vision; while NT:2300, and still more emphatically its intensive NT:2334, signifies an earnest but more continued inspection; and NT:4648 a watching from a distance):
KJV - appear, look, see, shewself.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Luke 3: 6 (Amp) And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God (the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).


Luke 3 (msg) A Baptism of Life-Change
1-6 In the fifteenth year of the rule of Caesar Tiberius—it was while Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea; Herod, ruler of Galilee; his brother Philip, ruler of Iturea and Trachonitis; Lysanias, ruler of Abilene; during the Chief-Priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas—John, Zachariah's son, out in the desert at the time, received a message from God. He went all through the country around the Jordan River preaching a baptism of life-change leading to forgiveness of sins, as described in the words of Isaiah the prophet:

Thunder in the desert!
"Prepare God's arrival!
Make the road smooth and straight!
Every ditch will be filled in,
Every bump smoothed out,
The detours straightened out,
All the ruts paved over.
Everyone will be there to see
The parade of God's salvation."

 

[Benoni]

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

Matthew 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


When He comes in the clouds He'll gather His elect. It doesn't say everyone. "many are called but few are chosen." Chosen = elect.

The elect are the called and chosen, which God will use in the ages to come to call all heathen nations He never called.
Comes with CloudS
Some people get bent all out of shape when we tell them that Jesus is not returning riding upon a rain cloud. Let me assure you - the prophecies of the Bible are to be believed! But let us be careful that we do not make them mean something which God did not intend.

The mistake that many make is to say that all those prophecies are to be fulfilled in a very physical and natural sense, when the New Testament interpretations indicate that the prophecies do indeed have a literal fulfillment but with a spiritual interpretation. We need to understand that much of the language of the Bible is couched in symbolism, metaphors and allegories.

Another proof that the "clouds" with which Christ comes are in reality the sons of God IN THEIR GLORY is couched in the terminology of the scriptures on this subject.

Note that in most places the passages in question speak of Christ coming "WITH CLOUDS." There is only one other group or plurality of objects of which it is stated that Christ comes "with" them, and that is - the SAINTS!

The Bible never says that Jesus returns "to" the clouds or "out of" the clouds. It is very careful to tell us that lie comes "with" clouds. And it also tells us that tie comes "with" His saints. "To the end He may establish your hearts ... at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ W-I-T-H ALL HIS SAINTS" (I Thes. 3:13).

Jude says, "And Enoch also ... prophesied ... saying, Behold, the Lord cometh W-I-T-H TEN THOUSANDS OF SAINTS" (Jude 14).

The Amplified is helpful, when it reads, "Behold,the Lord comes W-I-T-H MYRIADS OF HOLY ONES - ten thousands of His saints.

" But the Interlineary reading from the Diaglott translation gives the clearest of all renderings from the Greek text, so we note, "Lo, comes Lord I-N HOLY MYRIADS OF HIMSELF."

"Myriads of HIMSELF." All of them partakers of His divine nature, conformed to His image, filled with His life. Myriads of Himself, of His own kind, born of His seed, a many brethren company of SONS - all His sons. And again we read the testimony: "And the Lord my God shall come, and ALL, THE SAINTS W-T-T-H_T-H-E-E" (Zech. 14:5). The beloved John sees this same scene in wonder-filled vision and speaking in prophetical language writes: "Behold, He cometh W-I-T-H CLOUDS; and every eye shall see Him" (Rev. 1:7).

Rom. 8:17 contains a marvelous truth. "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also GLORIFIED TOGETHER."

 

[Dinner123]

The elect are the called and chosen, which God will use in the ages to come to call all heathen nations He never called.
Comes with CloudS
Some people get bent all out of shape when we tell them that Jesus is not returning riding upon a rain cloud. Let me assure you - the prophecies of the Bible are to be believed! But let us be careful that we do not make them mean something which God did not intend.

The mistake that many make is to say that all those prophecies are to be fulfilled in a very physical and natural sense, when the New Testament interpretations indicate that the prophecies do indeed have a literal fulfillment but with a spiritual interpretation. We need to understand that much of the language of the Bible is couched in symbolism, metaphors and allegories.

Another proof that the "clouds" with which Christ comes are in reality the sons of God IN THEIR GLORY is couched in the terminology of the scriptures on this subject.

Note that in most places the passages in question speak of Christ coming "WITH CLOUDS." There is only one other group or plurality of objects of which it is stated that Christ comes "with" them, and that is - the SAINTS!

The Bible never says that Jesus returns "to" the clouds or "out of" the clouds. It is very careful to tell us that lie comes "with" clouds. And it also tells us that tie comes "with" His saints. "To the end He may establish your hearts ... at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ W-I-T-H ALL HIS SAINTS" (I Thes. 3:13).

Jude says, "And Enoch also ... prophesied ... saying, Behold, the Lord cometh W-I-T-H TEN THOUSANDS OF SAINTS" (Jude 14).

The Amplified is helpful, when it reads, "Behold,the Lord comes W-I-T-H MYRIADS OF HOLY ONES - ten thousands of His saints.

" But the Interlineary reading from the Diaglott translation gives the clearest of all renderings from the Greek text, so we note, "Lo, comes Lord I-N HOLY MYRIADS OF HIMSELF."

"Myriads of HIMSELF." All of them partakers of His divine nature, conformed to His image, filled with His life. Myriads of Himself, of His own kind, born of His seed, a many brethren company of SONS - all His sons. And again we read the testimony: "And the Lord my God shall come, and ALL, THE SAINTS W-T-T-H_T-H-E-E" (Zech. 14:5). The beloved John sees this same scene in wonder-filled vision and speaking in prophetical language writes: "Behold, He cometh W-I-T-H CLOUDS; and every eye shall see Him" (Rev. 1:7).

Rom. 8:17 contains a marvelous truth. "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also GLORIFIED TOGETHER."

First of all yes, He is coming with the elect. But that isn't this coming. This coming is the one where He gathers the elect. Don't you agree He must gather the elect before HE returns with them? So if He is returning with the elect(the clouds according to you), then why does He send His angels to gather the elect; if they are already with Him?

Secondly, the angels said He will return as He left. (Acts ch. 1) He left by ascending bodily up into a cloud which received Him. Is this the same cloud that used to fill the tabernacle? The Shekinah glory? He claimed He would return in His Father's glory.

 

[Benoni]

First of all yes, He is coming with the elect. But that isn't this coming. This coming is the one where He gathers the elect. Don't you agree He must gather the elect before HE returns with them? So if He is returning with the elect(the clouds according to you), then why does He send His angels to gather the elect; if they are already with Him?

Secondly, the angels said He will return as He left. (Acts ch. 1) He left by ascending bodily up into a cloud which received Him. Is this the same cloud that used to fill the tabernacle? The Shekinah glory? He claimed He would return in His Father's glory.

Not cloudS according to me. CloudS according to God's Word. It is a rain cloud it is cloudS He is returning with. He is gathering His elect now, all though out the ages, He has many comings.

Yes He will return with the Tabernacle of David which is His glory which is His overcomers who God will use to gather all heathen people He never called..

The word angel simply means messenger.

 

[Dinner123]

Not cloudS according to me. CloudS according to God's Word. It is a rain cloud it is cloudS He is returning with. He is gathering His elect now, all though out the ages, He has many comings.

Yes He will return with the Tabernacle of David which is His glory which is His overcomers who God will use to gather all heathen people He never called..

The word angel simply means messenger.

First of all, just because it says clouds that doesn't mean you're right. Secondly, how many resurrections are there?

Thirdly, if you were right and everyone will be saved, then why did the Martyrs die to bring the gospel to a perishing world? Why face persecution at all for that matter? Why don't all Christians just go hide until Jesus comes for them? They don't need to tell anyone about Jesus because all will be saved without them!

Finally, for that matter, why does the devil fight so hard to claim the souls of men? Is he stupid to try so hard, when he knows they will all be saved no matter what he does?

 

[Benoni]

First of all, just because it says clouds that doesn't mean you're right. Secondly, how many resurrections are there?

It is not a matter if I am right, that is how God’s Word puts it.”cloudS.

Two, resurrections..... but many returns, about 20

The first resurrection is God’s elect/His overcomers/His called our/SaviorS from Mt Zion.
His elect will be used in the ages to come to call all heathen people. OR the second resurrection is all other people He never called, the heathens/nations/unjust, etc.

 

[Benoni]

Thirdly, if you were right and everyone will be saved, then why did the Martyrs die to bring the gospel to a perishing world? Why face persecution at all for that matter? Why don't all Christians just go hide until Jesus comes for them? They don't need to tell anyone about Jesus because all will be saved without them!

Christians can do whatever they want.
Why all the martyrs because Mt Zion is a rock of offense and a stone of stumbling.
Mt Zion is the Tabernacle of David (Universal salvation).
God saves people not Christian.

 

[Benoni]

Finally, for that matter, why does the devil fight so hard to claim the souls of men? Is he stupid to try so hard, when he knows they will all be saved no matter what he does?

Satan is just doing God’s will. Satan was never an angel, he only masquerades as an angel and deceivers most of the religious realm he is an angel. But what do you expect, He was always a liar. Satan was always a liar and can do nothing outside of God’s total sovereign will. He is but a tool in the hands of a mighty God.

 

[Benoni]

heb. 6:1-2 ETERNAL JUDGMENT is part of the principles of the doctrine of Jesus.

Hebrews 10:26 Reject Jesus and you have no more sacrifice. Period.

Sorry I neglected to answer this question. Man is not an eternal being. To be eternal like God is there is neither beginning nor end. Eternal is a bad translation by Rome and her baby sister. Man had a beginning.

It is carnal mans nature to reject Jesus.

God's judgment are just and to torture someone for a trillion years plus is a monstrous act, and bad judgment. Jesus reversed the curse of Adam by His death on the cross. My strong contention is that you misunderstands the purpose of God’s judgments, and consequently, misrepresents His character to the world. Rather than viewing all of God’s judgments and punishments from the perspective of the “spiritual man,” Christians have instead interpreted them out of the “natural man”—a man desiring retribution against his enemies.

Most of us have been taught that the “natural man” spoken of by Paul in 1 Cor. 2:14 applies only to unredeemed man, however, Christians are just as capable of thinking and walking in the natural (carnal) realm.

One needs only to look at the current state of the church with all of its division and strife to see that this is true. This is why Paul exhorts us to “renew our minds” and to “walk in the Spirit.” It is for this very reason why I believe the Church has embraced the false doctrine of never-ending punishment. The “natural man” simply cannot understand the things of the Spirit, and so it is this same natural man who has ruled over the “new man” and prevented us from seeing the true purpose for God’s judgments.

Many read the Bible and see two contradictory views of God: first, the fiery God of judgment as described in the Old Testament, and second, the Christ of love as demonstrated in the New Testament. Some, confused by this apparent contradiction, reject the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. However, when we study the subject of God’s judgments, we must not take the “hard” passages by themselves, but instead, must study them in the light of God’s enduring love and mercy. Take them alone, and we have a God whose forgiveness and mercy is limited; but take them in light of God’s everlasting love and compassion and we see that there is no contradiction at all—the glove of God’s judgment fits perfectly over His hand of love.

Let me remind you that the word "judgment", or "Krisis" is used in the New Testament to denote the deciding time, trial or probation of man. This passage confirms that "it is appointed unto man once to die and after this probation."
The Bible declares “Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, THE LORD IS ONE.” This statement not only forms the basis of our monotheistic belief, but it also clearly declares that, in God, there is no variation or division. The number “one” is scripture means unity, united, undivided, or unfragmented. So when the Bible says, “God is one,” it is another way of saying that GOD CANNOT CONTRADICT HIMSELF. In Him there is no division, and since the Scriptures are the very Words of God, it also cannot contradict itself. For God to contradict Himself would mean that He is divided within Himself; for the Scriptures to contradict itself would bring discredit upon its inerrancy—both of which would be a fatal blow to the Christian faith. However, James says that in Him there is “no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” (Ja. 1:17) Praise His blessed name that there is no division found either in God or His life-breathed Word!

Let’s take one example—2 Thes. 1:8-9. Paul here tells us that God will punish those who obey not the gospel of Christ with everlasting destruction. Does he mean that these men will remain as sinners forever, to be tormented with never-ending punishments, OR could it be that, just like when Jesus did not mean we are to literally hate our loved ones, this passage does not speak of the eternal torture of men, but the everlasting destruction of the old nature and its evil deeds? The Church would have us believe the former, but I contend that their interpretation of this and many like passages contradicts the myriad of passages that speak of God’s love and mercy. By no means do we intend to make light of God’s judgment or in any way lessen the need for it. We do not object to God’s judgment as it is taught in the Holy Scriptures. However, we do object (and reject) the “orthodox” teaching that does not take God’s love into consideration when discussing His judgments, but instead puts Him in the unscriptural position of forever turning His back on billions and billions of people never again to show them love or mercy. , “God loves the sinner, but hates the sin,” would be invalid.

Let there be no doubt that God will destroy the wicked and all his evil works (Ps. 145:20; Ps. 7:9), but how can God judge the sinner yet not contradict His love for all men? The answer to this question is so very simple, and yet has been grasped by so few: God will destroy all sinners by making them friends! Paul tells us that this is exactly what happened to us.

For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life; (Rom. 5:10) For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life; (Rom. 5:10)

We were once by nature, children of wrath (Eph. 2:3), and the sons of disobedience, (Eph. 2:2), and in fact, in our flesh, we are still yet enemies of the Cross. (Phil. 3:18) But just as God brought us from the depths of our despair and is in the process of changing us from an enemy to a friend, think it not a strange thing for God, who is rich in mercy and partial to none, to do this same work in other men in the ages to come. Col. 1:20 says that Christ will reconcile all things (lit. remove all enmity between two parties) to the Father by the blood of His Cross. God’s purpose for judgment is not to torment eternally, but to destroy all the evil works of the flesh, and when this great work of judgment is completed, all sinners along with their wickedness will have been totally destroyed—forever! This process is not a pleasant one, nor will God spare any torment needed to accomplish His goal. The self-will and stubbornness of man will be completely broken by God’s righteous judgment, and what will come forth will be the “restoration of all things” (Acts 3:21) as every created thing will be brought to a full knowledge of God through the Cross of Jesus Christ. Phil. 2:10-11 says “that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” 1 Cor. 15:28 says that when this happens God will be “all in all.” There will not be a trace of sin or death in the entirety of God’s universe. What a day of rejoicing that will be!!

 

[jtartar]

Why does Bible literalist ignore the multiple verses that declare God is going to ultimately save all mankind? At the same time attempted to defend the doctrine of eternal torture?

Here is one of my favorites:


1 Corinthians 15:22-24

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Benoni,
Remember that in Proverbs we are told that we need to search for the truth as a person searches for hid treasure, Prov 2:4,5.
Very few times does the Bible make statements that are absolutely true and complete. Usually a scripture relies on a person knowing other scriptures that pertain to the subject. Scriptures can be Qualified, Modified or complemented.
The Bible surely does not want any person to thik that all people are going to be saved, when there are many scriptures that say they will not.
Allow me to point out a few that say definitely that all will not be saved, even that most WILL NOT BE SAVED!!
Consider what Jesus said at Like 13:23,24, Matt 7:13,14, 7:21-23.
In order to understand the Greek Scriptures, you must also understand the Hebrew scriptures first.
Many times in the Hebrew Scriptures we are told about the times we are living in, Consider a few Places, Jere 25:30-33, Zeph 1:14-18, Mal 3:14-18, 2Pet 3:3-7, 2Thess 1:6-10, Rev 19:11-21, 20:14,15.
At 1Cor 15:22, the Bible is talking about all those who would be saved would be saved because of faith in Christ Jesus.
Let me mention anothe scripture that is also misunderstood, Rom 11:26, where the scripture says: and SO all Israel will be saved. If you read what this whole chapter is speaking about, you will understand that Paul had just mentioned how each Isrealite could be saved. Then Paul said and SO all would be saved, meaning in the way he had just explained.
To prove this idea, look at other scriptures that say ONLY the Remnant of Israel would be saved, Rom 9:27, 11:5, which shows that all would not be saved.
Bt the way, the idea that all will ultimately be saved is called Apocatastasis, or Universalism. This can rightly be called A Cacodoxy.

 

[Benoni]

Benoni,
Remember that in Proverbs we are told that we need to search for the truth as a person searches for hid treasure, Prov 2:4,5.
Very few times does the Bible make statements that are absolutely true and complete. Usually a scripture relies on a person knowing other scriptures that pertain to the subject. Scriptures can be Qualified, Modified or complemented.
The Bible surely does not want any person to thik that all people are going to be saved, when there are many scriptures that say they will not.
Allow me to point out a few that say definitely that all will not be saved, even that most WILL NOT BE SAVED!!
Consider what Jesus said at Like 13:23,24, Matt 7:13,14, 7:21-23.
In order to understand the Greek Scriptures, you must also understand the Hebrew scriptures first.
Many times in the Hebrew Scriptures we are told about the times we are living in, Consider a few Places, Jere 25:30-33, Zeph 1:14-18, Mal 3:14-18, 2Pet 3:3-7, 2Thess 1:6-10, Rev 19:11-21, 20:14,15.
At 1Cor 15:22, the Bible is talking about all those who would be saved would be saved because of faith in Christ Jesus.
Let me mention anothe scripture that is also misunderstood, Rom 11:26, where the scripture says: and SO all Israel will be saved. If you read what this whole chapter is speaking about, you will understand that Paul had just mentioned how each Isrealite could be saved. Then Paul said and SO all would be saved, meaning in the way he had just explained.
To prove this idea, look at other scriptures that say ONLY the Remnant of Israel would be saved, Rom 9:27, 11:5, which shows that all would not be saved.
Bt the way, the idea that all will ultimately be saved is called Apocatastasis, or Universalism. This can rightly be called A Cacodoxy.

To make it clear I am a Christian Universalist. No where in the Bible is the Universalism written about as heresy. But the heresy of damning is identifed with false teachers as heresy in scripture.

I would be glad to debate each verse with you, but not the verse reference. I agree the Greek and Hebrew are important; as well as the culture and the Law of Moses as spiritual examples. Problem is many scriptural words were translated from Latin not Greek and Hebrew. There are just as many verses that declare the ultimate salvation of all people compared to the verses that damn and condemn. Jesus is a savior not a monster. His blood is far greater then the sin of little Adam.

 

[Shiranui117]

Satan is just doing God’s will. Satan was never an angel, he only masquerades as an angel and deceivers most of the religious realm he is an angel. But what do you expect, He was always a liar. Satan was always a liar and can do nothing outside of God’s total sovereign will. He is but a tool in the hands of a mighty God.

But what's the point of Satan at all, if he'll never ever be able to steal even one soul? It's a test which we cannot possibly fail, because God will pass us no matter what.

To make it clear I am a Christian Universalist. No where in the Bible is the Universalism written about as heresy. But the heresy of damning is identifed with false teachers as heresy in scripture.

I would be glad to debate each verse with you, but not the verse reference. I agree the Greek and Hebrew are important; as well as the culture and the Law of Moses as spiritual examples. Problem is many scriptural words were translated from Latin not Greek and Hebrew. There are just as many verses that declare the ultimate salvation of all people compared to the verses that damn and condemn. Jesus is a savior not a monster. His blood is far greater then the sin of little Adam.

Just as damning other people to Hell is a sin, deciding that everyone ever will be saved is a sin. The fact is, we don't know how God will judge. We can hope that He will save all, but that depends on the heart of the person, and we cannot say for sure how the Judgement will go down. It's very dangerous to assume who will be saved and who will not, and it is very dangerous to assume how many will be saved and how many will not.

 

[Benoni]

But what's the point of Satan at all, if he'll never ever be able to steal even one soul? It's a test which we cannot possibly fail, because God will pass us no matter what.

Why would God want to allow steal a soul? Did not God create all of us in His image and likeness.


Satan is a tool in God’s hand. Look at Job 1. Job 1:8And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job , that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?" 9Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for no reason? 10Have you not put(Q) a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11But stretch out your hand and(T) touch all that he has, and he will(U) curse you(V) to your face." 12And the LORD said to Satan,

"Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

God is in control of all things; sure He limited what Satan could do; for a reason because God is always in complete control of all things to include Satan. But it was God who was the one who introduced Satan to Job “Have you considered my servant Job”. It was God who took down the hedge from around Job so Satan to do his work on job. It was the process of tribulation and trial God was after; to prove Job.