Do you believe in your Scriptures or do you doubt and research their contents?

[Indian Iconoclast]

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My humble salutations and good wishes!

My question here in particular to the Muslims who follow the Koran along with their prophet's traditions, and in general to all others of such religions that have their religious scriptures such as the Bible, the Turah and the Talmud, and the Vedas and the Zarathushtra Gathas, and the Dhamma Pada to name but a few, is:

DO THE CONTENTS OF THESE SCRIPTURES MEAN HOLY TO YOU AND ACCEPTABLE TO YOU WITHOUT DOUBT (IN THEIR FACE VALUE) OR YOU HAVE THE INDEPENDENCE TO INVESTIGATING THEM AS SUCH WITH YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND LOGIC?


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[Levite]

[FONT=&quot]Dear Members,

My humble salutations and good wishes!

My question here in particular to the Muslims who follow the Koran along with their prophet's traditions, and in general to all others of such religions that have their religious scriptures such as the Bible, the Turah and the Talmud, and the Vedas and the Zarathushtra Gathas, and the Dhamma Pada to name but a few, is:

DO THE CONTENTS OF THESE SCRIPTURES MEAN HOLY TO YOU AND ACCEPTABLE TO YOU WITHOUT DOUBT (IN THEIR FACE VALUE) OR YOU HAVE THE INDEPENDENCE TO INVESTIGATING THEM AS SUCH WITH YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND LOGIC?
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I prefer to resist the duality you've set up. I both accept Torah (both Written and Oral) as holy and sacred, and also do not unilaterally and unquestioningly accept the simplest, surface meanings of the text.

There are many ways in our Jewish tradition to examine text, and to read it at many levels. We do not always-- or even necessarily mostly-- treat text unquestioningly, and never without complex thought.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

What's the point of having logic and reason if you're not allowed to use it?

 

[rusra02]

[FONT=&quot]Dear Members,

My humble salutations and good wishes!

My question here in particular to the Muslims who follow the Koran along with their prophet's traditions, and in general to all others of such religions that have their religious scriptures such as the Bible, the Turah and the Talmud, and the Vedas and the Zarathushtra Gathas, and the Dhamma Pada to name but a few, is:

DO THE CONTENTS OF THESE SCRIPTURES MEAN HOLY TO YOU AND ACCEPTABLE TO YOU WITHOUT DOUBT (IN THEIR FACE VALUE) OR YOU HAVE THE INDEPENDENCE TO INVESTIGATING THEM AS SUCH WITH YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND LOGIC?


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I would hope that before accepting any sacred text as the truth that one would examine the evidence proving that text is divinely inspired and accurate. The Bible urges us to "not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world." (1 John 4:1)

 

[Sha'irullah]

I doubt all scriptures and research the ones I find understandable and worthy of research. I am actually in the midst of creating my own with the skeptics mindset involved .

No scripture can be viewed as divine in origin but divine in explanatory content. To perceive any writ text as divine in origins is a remarkable claim requiring remarkable evidence.

Many prophecies foretell the vents of the future yet the textual analysis of the weather forecast is not deemed prophetic .

Any text claiming divine origins will fall under great scrutiny by the unbeliever yet never be question by the believer. This lopsided bias thinking only provides a state of ignorance about how to critically analyze textual content and its origins.

Greater emphasis on the lack of divine origins can be made by the fact that no holy text has been given to man directly from god. They are all written by men who claim divine revelation yet their claims go unheard of and the writers of the text are never mentioned. Their existence is an entire enigma. The Gospels give greater weigh to this fact.

With the aid of Stemmatics we can easily see the origins of various holy writ and their ungodly origins. They are the repeated lore and knowledge of a society before or occurring within the same period.

The knowledge of such written books is handed down and revised to create nor occurrences of the same story and literary content. The Tawrah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim, Gospels, Pauline Epistles and Qur'an all result because of these later additions in textual evolution.

Proper criticism and study of them can easily provide their irrelevancy as of today and they incapability of lasting any longer then the period in which they were written.

 

[Indian Iconoclast]

I would hope that before accepting any sacred text as the truth that one would examine the evidence proving that text is divinely inspired and accurate. The Bible urges us to "not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world." (1 John 4:1)

Rusra02! Peace!

Is not the Bible Verbi Dei? i.e., God's Word? Is God's word to be doubted and examined while remaining avowed to it and bearing testimony to it? In other words while still calling oneself a Christian? Where does the authority and absolution of God as your worshiped and depended upon almighty provender go if you doubt and debate His words?

Please have patience with my ignorance and elucidate! :candle:

 

[rusra02]

Rusra02! Peace!

Is not the Bible Verbi Dei? i.e., God's Word? Is God's word to be doubted and examined while remaining avowed to it and bearing testimony to it? In other words while still calling oneself a Christian? Where does the authority and absolution of God as your worshiped and depended upon almighty provender go if you doubt and debate His words?

Please have patience with my ignorance and elucidate! :candle:

Such an examnation should be done before becoming a Christian, IMO. True faith is founded upon real evidence, not credulity. (Hebrews 11:1) I believe the Bible contains abundant evidence that it is what it says it is, "inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Research is essential before accepting a religions scriptures. I do not accept at face value the Buddhist scriptures, but, through research, much thought, and practice, have found them to be true.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

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DO THE CONTENTS OF THESE SCRIPTURES MEAN HOLY TO YOU AND ACCEPTABLE TO YOU WITHOUT DOUBT (IN THEIR FACE VALUE) OR YOU HAVE THE INDEPENDENCE TO INVESTIGATING THEM AS SUCH WITH YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND LOGIC?


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WHY DO YOU ASK ...

... and why don't we stop shouting at one another?​

 

[Muffled]

[FONT=&quot]Dear Members,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]My humble salutations and good wishes![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]My question here in particular to the Muslims who follow the Koran along with their prophet's traditions, and in general to all others of such religions that have their religious scriptures such as the Bible, the Turah and the Talmud, and the Vedas and the Zarathushtra Gathas, and the Dhamma Pada to name but a few, is:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]DO THE CONTENTS OF THESE SCRIPTURES MEAN HOLY TO YOU AND ACCEPTABLE TO YOU WITHOUT DOUBT (IN THEIR FACE VALUE) OR YOU HAVE THE INDEPENDENCE TO INVESTIGATING THEM AS SUCH WITH YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND LOGIC?[/FONT]

As a Christian I have the Holy Spirit, so I have no need to use logic which can fail but Jesus never does.

 

[Shiranui117]

I don't doubt the Scriptures. I do, however, occasionally doubt and check my own personal interpretation of said Scriptures. This is often due to prompting from conversations I have with others, especially on this site.

 

[nazz]

the latter

 

[nazz]

Rusra02! Peace!

Is not the Bible Verbi Dei? i.e., God's Word? Is God's word to be doubted and examined while remaining avowed to it and bearing testimony to it? In other words while still calling oneself a Christian? Where does the authority and absolution of God as your worshiped and depended upon almighty provender go if you doubt and debate His words?

Please have patience with my ignorance and elucidate! :candle:

It's clear from the Bible itself that the Word of God is not the Bible

 

[ChristineES]

I don't doubt the Scriptures. I do, however, occasionally doubt and check my own personal interpretation of said Scriptures. This is often due to prompting from conversations I have with others, especially on this site.

That's the same with me. I don't listen to my own interpretation alone, I also listen to other people's interpretation, too.

 

[rusra02]

It's clear from the Bible itself that the Word of God is not the Bible

And you say that because...?

 

[nazz]

And you say that because...?

I actually have an entire study on that subject but don't have access to that file right now. But if you disagree I would encourage you to do the following. Get a list of all the verses in the Bible that contain the term "Word of God". Then substitute the word "Bible". See if the sentences make any sense.

 

[Indian Iconoclast]

As a Christian I have the Holy Spirit, so I have no need to use logic which can fail but Jesus never does.

Muffled!

That was a very honest answer and appreciated by heart by me!:clap

 

[Indian Iconoclast]

WHY DO YOU ASK ...

... and why don't we stop shouting at one another?
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IS ASKING FOR OPINIONS IN AN OPEN FORUM AN OFFENSE?


....and who is doing the shouting here?????

 

[Muffled]

It's clear from the Bible itself that the Word of God is not the Bible

I believe it is neither obvious nor true.

 

[Muffled]

I actually have an entire study on that subject but don't have access to that file right now. But if you disagree I would encourage you to do the following. Get a list of all the verses in the Bible that contain the term "Word of God". Then substitute the word "Bible". See if the sentences make any sense.

I doubt that playing word games has much credence. I believe it is the equivalent of asking if you have stopped beating your wife.