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The Black Flame?
- Thread starter Adramelek
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
I would say Lucifer is more of a charcoal color...
From what I am finding (through Google, so prepare the pitchforks), the Black Flame is merely a renaming of Jung's shadow. Now, I'm not quite certain how Prometheus, Lucifer, Set, and Satan have anything in common beyond ******* off chief gods (which isn't even true in Satan's case since Lucifer would be representative of Christianity and Satan of Judaism), so...I guess if we consider Jehovah, Horus/Osiris, and Zeus representations of the ego, there would be no difference.
From what I am finding (through Google, so prepare the pitchforks), the Black Flame is merely a renaming of Jung's shadow. Now, I'm not quite certain how Prometheus, Lucifer, Set, and Satan have anything in common beyond ******* off chief gods (which isn't even true in Satan's case since Lucifer would be representative of Christianity and Satan of Judaism), so...I guess if we consider Jehovah, Horus/Osiris, and Zeus representations of the ego, there would be no difference.
The term "Black Flame" was meant, I think, to represent or symbolize the very essence of the Lord of Darkness (or by what ever name he/it is known.) As Doors states it should be a personal symbol illustrating the Luciferian "Flame of Illumination", or the "Fire of Life", the "Dark Fire of Set" or "Black Flame of Satan (Set)", the "Essence of Set (Satan)" or the "Gift of Set (Satan)". It could be said that the Black Flame is that which energizes/inspires the Will to Magick... It is true that "Black Flame" is a Setian/Satanic term. 
Xeper.
/Adramelek\
Xeper.
/Adramelek\
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
"I say unto you: one must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star."
Yes, and it is out of chaos that Self-Order, that dancing star, is shaped into Being and given Form through the Essence of the Black Flame.
Xeper!
/Adramelek\
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
"Capital letters were always the best way of dealing with things you didn't have a good answer to."
—The Electric Monk, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
—The Electric Monk, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
I guess the way I look at it is that Satan is the wellspring of the Black Flame. The Black Flame being both a message and a current in a way. Thus one is the messenger and source, one is issued forth. Both are decidedly different things to me... If the question was which of these is more important I would find it hard to answer... Without an origination a message or path is worthless... Just like if I sent you a note without a name attached -- no matter what was on it it would be as important to you as a random fortune cookie.
The Black Flame is in some ways the Satanic equivalent of "The Holy Spirit" of Christian theology although in that philosophy the message, the message bearer, and the god are the same thing so it isn't exactly equivalent. I just think that it is probably the most common example so worth mentioning just for the sake of understanding.
On that note I think it is possible to embrace the spirit of this Black Flame without actually being aware you are doing it or from where it comes from. It makes you no less an agent of the cause regardless of what you call yourself.
The Black Flame is in some ways the Satanic equivalent of "The Holy Spirit" of Christian theology although in that philosophy the message, the message bearer, and the god are the same thing so it isn't exactly equivalent. I just think that it is probably the most common example so worth mentioning just for the sake of understanding.
On that note I think it is possible to embrace the spirit of this Black Flame without actually being aware you are doing it or from where it comes from. It makes you no less an agent of the cause regardless of what you call yourself.
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Interesting... what do you mean by "spirit of Nature"?
Twig pentagram
High Priest
IMO, the flame is not just black. The Flame represents knowledge therefore
the Black Flame would represent knowledge of the darkness or dark side.
the Black Flame would represent knowledge of the darkness or dark side.
Thrice Great
Member
Hi Adramelek (you know me by another name)
Satan is a powerful and primordial archetype of man's psyche.
This archetype is the reflection of how we perceive ourselves in relation to what we call the "others". Satan is the negative definition of what we believe is human. He is a social and cultural phenomenon and as old as humanity itself. There has always and will always, be essentially two worldviews consisting of oppositions and they are "Us & Them".
Sumerian and Akkadian tablets concur this worldview from the earliest known writings, the ancient Egyptian word for an Egyptian meant "human", the Greek word for non-Greeks was "barbaroi". The Jewish Essenes called non-Essenes "ha satan" (adversary), Zoroastrianism set forth the dualistic "good" (what we believe in) and "evil" (what they believe in).
"A society does not simply discover its others, it fabricates them, by selecting, isolating, and emphasizing as aspect of another people's life, and making it symbolize their difference" - William Scott Green (Professor of the history of religion - ancient Judaism, biblical studies, and the theory of religion).
So, who is this Satan? He is who you are not!
Lucifer is the Principle of Compassion for Life and Creation, the Light born in the Womb of Darkness . . . defiance of corrupt authority and the Current of Spiritual Evolution. Lucifer is that core level of the Cosmos. The Principle of Selfdevelopment.
The model of individuality, individuation, and independence. Lucifer is symbolized from culture to culture and is defined by that culture. Lucifer is a Collective Name for Spiritual Freedom.
The title "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Lucifer is mentioned in Publius Ovidius Naso's "Metamorphoses", which was written in 8 C.E (Roman) Roman poet Virgil mentions him as far back as 29 BCE. In Greek mythology, Hesperus, the Evening Star is the son of the dawn goddess Eos (Roman equivalent: Aurora) and brother of Eosphorus the Morning Star (Eosphoros "dawn‑bearer"; also Phosphorus, Lucifer "light‑bearer").
Adramalek, the best definition of the Black Flame I've read is that it is the core inner Self. Just like a Black Flame, which illuminates the outer world but void ("black") in the center, the Self illuminates or makes possible the world of experience but, just like an eye can never see itself, remains unseen. Hope that helps somewhat!
ScottySatan
Well-Known Member
I always took black flame to mean your own personal spirit, particularly associated with your talents. I haven't heard it used as another name for a devil-figure, especially not an external one.
"This little light of mine, I'm gonna let is shine..."
"This little light of mine, I'm gonna let is shine..."
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Thrice Great
Member
Me? Yes I am . . . from my own notes on my own computer.
The Black Flame is individual perception and deific consciousness, an awakening in the dark adept which separates them from the natural/objective universe.
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