Ken Brown
Well-Known Member
Wasn't Jesus innocent? Wasn't the purpose of his sacrifice to appease God?
Hi Pappillion001, yes, Yeshua was Innocent, and no, Elohim is not appeased with the shedding of Innocent blood. Please try to understand this reasoning...In the Torah it is commanded for the sinner to lay their hands upon the head of their offering, and kill it. In doing so, the sinner has righteousness, because the sinner has done what the Torah required, but what exactly was accomplished in the laying hands upon the head of the offering? Was it a transference to where the penalty due the sinner was transferred upon the innocent animal? More or less, was it a transference of their sin upon the innocent animal, and the animal pays the price for their sin?
The Sages of old have debated this very question and there were two lines of reasoning. Transference or identification. Was the sinner transferring, or identifying with the innocent animal that was dying because of their sin. I truly believe the laying on of hands to the head of the animal was a means where Elohim wants the sinner to identify with the animal, and when the animal dies, whatever caused the sinner to sacrifice, would be put to death with that animal.
The transference of sin upon the innocent animal was the bad logic that won out within Judaism, and that bad logic of making the animal a substitute (having the sinners sin transferred to the animal and the animal dying in the stead of the sinner) is the delusional gospel traditional christianity fell under.
The true purpose of sacrifice was for the sinner to identify with the animal and when that animal died, whatever sin the sinner had was to die with the animal and be removed from the sinner's life. If the sin is removed, there is no longer any need to continue with sacrificing. The problem is that the innocent blood of an animal will not and can not bring about the remission of sin in a sinner's life. There is no remorse or fear in shedding the blood of an animal.
On the contrary, when a sinner identifies with Yeshua as THEIR sacrifice, and realizes that their sin did shed His Innocent Blood, then whatever is in the sinner's life that caused them to lay their hands upon the Head (Yeshua) of their sacrifice, should be put to death (their old man). This is why Paul stated that he died with Messiah (was crucified), and that he no longer lived. This was the true purpose of sacrifice, to put sinners to death, and Paul taught that ALL died when Yeshua died, and he no longer looked at anyone from a living or human point of view. Everyone was dead in Messiah, and the message for sinners was to realize their death in Him and then BURY their dead body in baptism, and rise up to a new life IN Him. Yeshua is the ONLY one living, and if you have not buried you dead body and come to life in Him, then you remain part of the dead who does not believe.
Hopefully Pappillion001, you can recognize the difference between transference and identification, and find out what truly PLEASES Elohim (it's not the shedding of Innocent Blood). KB