Where did Jesus asked to be worshpped?

[-Peacemaker-]

Here we see Jesus exercising the authority to forgive sins

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, ‘Son, your sins are forgiven.’”

I can go all day with these verses

edit: the reality is that no matter what verses I cite you'll always be able to find an apologetic against it. It'll usually be some disagreement about the context or the translation. I wish you luck and God's guidance in your quest for truth

 

[the-jesusist]

Jesus never asked anyone to worship him. He asked some of them to follow him, and others to abide by his teachings, because they came through him from God. "The Eternal Lawgiver is one, there is no other God but he. He has not shared the world with anyone, neither has he informed anyone of his intentions." I assume that anyone includes Jesus himself.

 

[Acim]

the reality is that no matter what verses I cite you'll always be able to find an apologetic against it. It'll usually be some disagreement about the context or the translation. I wish you luck and God's guidance in your quest for truth

Junglej25, your sins are forgiven.

 

[pwfaith]

Wow! thanks for the answer! xD it´s good to see you here, generally like yuor approach on things and they way you discuss

Well, for starters, I must say that in this I am talking about the testaments, not the letters, while I know that you have faith in both, the question goes towards Jesus explicitly saying he wants to be worshipped.

I like what you say about people doing it because they feel he deserves it, I do think if he existed, he was trully a man to learn a lot of. In any case, the question goes towards the point that Jesus never said that if you "dont worshp him you are going to hell".

The closest thing he came to say that would be that only through him one could see he Father, but this still doesn´t mean that he will close you the door if you never talked to him. I think the guy in the testaments would probably even point you at the door if you are dramatically going towards the pits of hell at the other side xD(not trying to say that he would "force " it upon us, but I digress xD)

What I mean is, that if he had so great power to forgive everyone that he wants, and he clearly not felt short in any moment on the testaments to remember us that he had a great heart to forgive everyone (like people booing him in the cross) then I just don´t see why would he not open the doors to the heavens to those who need it, even if they didn´t beleive in his historic existence or never heard his name, as long as they tried their best to be good to their brothers.

so my argument goes toards that point: the fact that Jesus never asked to be worshipped, so it is not a need for salvation. (though I would doubt anyone that asks with open heart for virtue and grace in his name would be turned down, I am just saying it´s not a requirement)

So what are your thoughts on that? And to that, no verses where he does asks to be worshipped?

No, I don't see any verses specifically asking for worship, however at the same time I don't see any where he told those who were worshiping him, not to do it.

Am I understanding correctly that you are equating worship with belief in his life, death and resurrection? We don't really worship Jesus but rather We worship Jesus as God Almighty. Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Bible, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity. That's how I understand it, at least. We can only truly worship God when we have put our faith and trust in Jesus death & resurrection. The "line", if you will, to God is broken, except through Christ. I know the whole Trinity thing is really confusing. Heck, it's confusing for me sometimes In my heart of hearts I know I would never understand it, if not for the Holy Spirit's divine wisdom. It's one of those things I "get" in my heart but there is no real earthly manner in which to explain it, it's a spiritual thing that simply does not exist in our world. It is God we worship, but Jesus we believe in and since Jesus is God the Son, it was not wrong for them to show him worship b/c God is worthy of our worship.

With that in mind, let me ask, does God ask for our worship?

This is just how I look at it from a Christian perspective

 

[Awoon]

I never sin.

 

[Shermana]

John 8: 58-59

"‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”


"I am" is the name of God used in Exodus 3:14

"The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born."

- The Living Bible, John 8:58

The word for "I am" is used for "I was", just as the word for "Abraham was" is used for "will be". Jesus did not refer this to himself as a name or title either, but as a statement of when he existed. This john 8:58 thing really needs to get corrected more often, but these deliberately dishonest translations who capitalize the "I AM" in a cheap ripoff of the use of upper case for Lord aren't helping.

That is why they pick up stones to kill him, because he's declaring himself to thus be an ancient Divine being, not G-d. This is why he says what he does in 10:34-35.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

- The Living Bible, John 8:58

The word for "I am" is used for "I was", just as the word for "Abraham was" is used for "will be". Jesus did not refer this to himself as a name or title either, but as a statement of when he existed. This john 8:58 thing really needs to get corrected more often, but these deliberately dishonest translations who capitalize the "I AM" in a cheap ripoff of the use of upper case for Lord aren't helping.

That is why they pick up stones to kill him, because he's declaring himself to thus be an ancient Divine being, not G-d. This is why he says what he does in 10:34-35.

fascinating. I had no idea there was a debate over the translation of "I am".

 

[cAmigo]

God is self-sufficient. He does not need anything. He does not need our worship. In General He does not ask as anything as he does not need anything from us. He just give us gift. Worship is a spirit of thanksgiving and gratitude.
Just as a mother tell a child to be thankful to his father and a father does the same in regard to the mother, and all this for the good of the child not the parents, so God the Father train us to honor the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Son do the same in regard to the Father and the Spirit, and the Spirit the same in regard to the Father and the Son.
It is the way of God. I understand worship as thanksgiving and gratitude directed to the divinity.

God bless

 

[Me Myself]

God is self-sufficient. He does not need anything. He does not need our worship. In General He does not ask as anything as he does not need anything from us. He just give us gift. Worship is a spirit of thanksgiving and gratitude.
Just as a mother tell a child to be thankful to his father and a father does the same in regard to the mother, and all this for the good of the child not the parents, so God the Father train us to honor the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Son do the same in regard to the Father and the Spirit, and the Spirit the same in regard to the Father and the Son.
It is the way of God. I understand worship as thanksgiving and gratitude directed to the divinity.

God bless

I do agree on must of what you said, though I do must point out you haven´t answered the question

God was far from shy when it came to asking for worship in the OT. He said it quite a lot and was very jelous about it too.(His words)

The question does not ask in any way if Jesus "needs" to be worshipped in any way neither. It asks where he asked it, and the OP stipulates that he probably won´t need you to worship him for him to save you.

You may re-read it for extraclarifying, but please do ask me if I need to clarify more any point of it so to be clear on the question

Godbless!

 

[Me Myself]

No, I don't see any verses specifically asking for worship, however at the same time I don't see any where he told those who were worshiping him, not to do it.

Am I understanding correctly that you are equating worship with belief in his life, death and resurrection? We don't really worship Jesus but rather We worship Jesus as God Almighty. Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Bible, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity. That's how I understand it, at least. We can only truly worship God when we have put our faith and trust in Jesus death & resurrection. The "line", if you will, to God is broken, except through Christ. I know the whole Trinity thing is really confusing. Heck, it's confusing for me sometimes In my heart of hearts I know I would never understand it, if not for the Holy Spirit's divine wisdom. It's one of those things I "get" in my heart but there is no real earthly manner in which to explain it, it's a spiritual thing that simply does not exist in our world. It is God we worship, but Jesus we believe in and since Jesus is God the Son, it was not wrong for them to show him worship b/c God is worthy of our worship.

With that in mind, let me ask, does God ask for our worship?

This is just how I look at it from a Christian perspective

God asked for worship tons of times in the OT. I wouldn´t decline worship either if I was offered. Specially if I had just done a miracle.

I don´t believe myself holier than you though, I just think that if someone wants to worship GOD that is in me, that is a sweet act of grattitude that will help them in their spiritual development.

Non of this means that I people need to worship ME particularly to enter heaven

 

[cAmigo]

I do agree on must of what you said, though I do must point out you haven´t answered the question

God was far from shy when it came to asking for worship in the OT. He said it quite a lot and was very jelous about it too.(His words)

The question does not ask in any way if Jesus "needs" to be worshipped in any way neither. It asks where he asked it, and the OP stipulates that he probably won´t need you to worship him for him to save you.

You may re-read it for extraclarifying, but please do ask me if I need to clarify more any point of it so to be clear on the question

Godbless!

I did reread it.
I think it depends on how we understand the meaning of 'worship'.
As humans, we know that we don't always grasp words litterally. Jesus knew it, in fact he spoke to people often in parables. Prophets of the OT knew it as well. And I know it. So when I read the Bible, I take all these facts into consideration. God is not time-bound. He does not speak human language. In fact, Jesus said that no man ever encountered God. So OT stories are prophets translating the eternal language of God into the temporal (human) languages which the temporal humans/cultures can relate to. I take all these factors into considerations.

God bless.

 

[vnct]

I know he said that nobody could aspire forgiveness if it was not for him (and I have my own ways of interpreting that)

But when did Jesus said he should be worshipped?

When did Jesus said that only if you say his name and invoke his name he would forgive you?

Because I know those who were booing him while he carried the cross were certanly not "worshipping" him when they shouted and laughed at him, and yet he said to God "Forgive them, because they donñt know what they are doing"

To me this shows Jesus is willing to forgive without any need to be worshipped, so even when he does say that no one can see the father if not for him... he never said he was only going to let in those who worshipped him.

That appears to be only the elaboration of Paul, or am I missing any verse?

Mark 10:17-18
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Luke 18:18-19
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

 

[Me Myself]

Mark 10:17-18
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
17 As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Luke 18:18-19
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Interesting, I had forgoten that verse.

Again we see Jesus doesn´t equal himself to God all the time (he rarely does, but he does do it in some verses) and this would be one of the clear places where he diferentiates himself to Him.

 

[Me Myself]

bump*

 

[seeking4truth]

We are son's of God if we accept His authority, Jesus claimed no more than was claimed by others before him. When Jesus followers said they believed it means they believed he was the Messiah sent to bring them back to true obedience to God.

Paul did meet esus and was convinved by him that he was the Messiah. Paul then dedicated his life and went to the desert(Qumran in 'Arabia') to learn and study to become a missionary for Jesus.

Later when he began preaching and teaching to non-jews the leaders of Jesus community recalled him to answer questions as to what he was doing.


Because of the destruction of the Temple authorities in Jerusalem and the banning of preaching Judaism, Marcion reinterpreted the teachings of Paul and the apostles so that it could be taught and preached in the Roman World withoput provoking the authorities there. Hence the 'development ' of Christianity from what was the revival of Judaism.

 

[Me Myself]

We are son's of God if we accept His authority, Jesus claimed no more than was claimed by others before him.

So you agree he never asked for worship?

 

[AdityaMookerjee]

I know he said that nobody could aspire forgiveness if it was not for him (and I have my own ways of interpreting that)

But when did Jesus said he should be worshipped?

When did Jesus said that only if you say his name and invoke his name he would forgive you?

Because I know those who were booing him while he carried the cross were certanly not "worshipping" him when they shouted and laughed at him, and yet he said to God "Forgive them, because they donñt know what they are doing"

To me this shows Jesus is willing to forgive without any need to be worshipped, so even when he does say that no one can see the father if not for him... he never said he was only going to let in those who worshipped him.

That appears to be only the elaboration of Paul, or am I missing any verse?

I don't think he did. Also, Jesus said, "Do unto others, as they would have do unto you". I think the Christians said, that he whipped moneylenders, and so did the followers of Judaism. The fact may be, that perhaps Jesus didn't not want to be crucified. I don't look at the Christian as a sinner, as a Christian calls himself/herself. Jesus didn't see the people who crucified him, as sinners. The Roman's adopted the faith of Christianity, a time after the life of Jesus. Perhaps, because the Roman state was responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus, the state saw itself responsible. It seems, the Roman state did not see a religion as part of the state, before the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[seeking4truth]

"So you agree he never asked for worship?"

I agree. I think he asked only that God should be worshipped. When he says that he(Jesus) is the Way the Truth and the Light I'm sure he meant the way to God, the Truth about God and the light to illuminate the way but never that he was God.

Even up until the moment of his losing consciousness on the cross Jesus prayed to God as his Lord and the one who had control over his life and death.

 

[Me Myself]

I think we are both in the same page, Seeking4.

 

[somethingNiftyhere]

As with all of the Bible and the varying scriptures, it can be confusing.

Matthew 4:10 (ESV)Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,“‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

And compare to, where Jesus said:


John 14:9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?