What does Leviathan symbolize to the LHP?

[Adramelek]

The Statement of Leviathan
The Diabolicon

"Before God or Angel, Diamon or man, there was Leviathan alone,
Principle of continuity and ageless existence.
By relation and time I have oft been sought,
But Leviathan shall yield to none other than the final Master of the Universe.

Leviathan is the Absolute, man, and if thou would presume to realize what neither Heaven nor Hell may effect,
Know that when thou behold the presence of Leviathan,
Thy end hath been attained.

Only through obliteration of the Universe that is may man seal his Mastery of the Black Flame,
For only thus may he know that he is not subject to a greater Will.

Heaven must perish,
Hell must perish,
And man alone must remain ere the Black Flame becomes Red in the glory of its perfection.

Then the Red Magus shall behold only Leviathan,
And he shall recognise that he has become the perfect mind,
Who shall remake the Cosmos in the eternal glory of his Satanic Will."

Xeper.
/Adramelek\
Gnothi seauton!

 

[jasonwill2]

If a Leviathan symbolism has nothing to do with a big sea monster metaphor in any way, I don't see why one would call it Leviathan.

Not sayin' this to anyone in particular though, just a thought.

My Leviathan idea is basically a metaphor for Pantheism (in a weird inverse relationship that flips either way you look at it, a sea monster inside the ocean of itself) and our subconscious, and how our subconscious is mostly uncontrollable like the explicitly physical Universe that runs it, our conscious mind having some more freedoms.

 

[Iti oj]

If a Leviathan symbolism has nothing to do with a big sea monster metaphor in any way, I don't see why one would call it Leviathan.

Not sayin' this to anyone in particular though, just a thought.

My Leviathan idea is basically a metaphor for Pantheism (in a weird inverse relationship that flips either way you look at it, a sea monster inside the ocean of itself) and our subconscious, and how our subconscious is mostly uncontrollable like the explicitly physical Universe that runs it, our conscious mind having some more freedoms.

Metaphorically yeah but applicable I would disagree.

 

[Adramelek]

To me Leviathan is what is called a Form or Principle, and a reflection of what I call the Prince of Darkness. He/It is the Eternal Serpent which dwells in the primordial abyss of Creation, and who also swims in the sea of humanity. Leviathan also symbolizes principles I have already outlined earlier in this thread.

Xeper and Remanifest.
/Adramelek\
Gnothi seauton!

 

[Iti oj]

for me no abyss is as primal as the primordial chaos. can the levithan hold its self against the great making/unmaking of the primal chaos?
I walked it once and something akin to leviathan helped me hold my self together it was no easy feat but i was the beast who helped me

 

[jasonwill2]

To me Leviathan is what is called a Form or Principle, and a reflection of what I call the Prince of Darkness. He/It is the Eternal Serpent which dwells in the primordial abyss of Creation, and who also swims in the sea of humanity. Leviathan also symbolizes principles I have already outlined earlier in this thread.

Xeper and Remanifest.
/Adramelek\
Gnothi seauton!

Is that abyss filled with water?

I like how he swims in humanity... makes him an aspect of us in a way then.

 

[Adramelek]

I always thought of creation as chaos transformed into order. Leviathan dwells in both realms.

 

[Iti oj]

I always thought of creation as chaos transformed into order. Leviathan dwells in both realms.

right but i would say chaos and order are inseparable and that one needs the other.

 

[Adramelek]

right but i would say chaos and order are inseparable and that one needs the other.

Well, chaos does come before order, hence, you are right the primordial abyss is that of chaos.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[Iti oj]

Well, chaos does come before order, hence, you are right the primordial abyss is that of chaos.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

i would take it deeper then that i would say order comes from chaos and order reverts back itto chaos theirs and ebb and flow i think the leviathan is master of this tide

 

[Adramelek]

In examining the formula of Creation, I would say that chaos and order are essential to one another. :yes:

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[Iti oj]

In examining the formula of Creation, I would say that chaos and order are essential to one another. :yes:

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

Almost like matter and anti matter

 

[Iti oj]

Also I must spread frubal around before giving you more.

 

[Adramelek]

i would take it deeper then that i would say order comes from chaos and order reverts back itto chaos theirs and ebb and flow i think the leviathan is master of this tide

Yes, it is that churning ebb and flow between chaos and order which Leviathan is indeed the Master of. Good post.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

In examining the formula of Creation, I would say that chaos and order are essential to one another. :yes:

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

Seems you might be equating chaos with disorder.

 

[Adramelek]

Seems you might be equating chaos with disorder.

Do you see a difference between the two? As a side note: matter and anti-matter are extremely volatile.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Do you see a difference between the two? As a side note: matter and anti-matter are extremely volatile.

One is unorganized, the other disorganized.

 

[Adramelek]

One is unorganized, the other disorganized.

What is the difference between unorganized and disorganized?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

What is the difference between unorganized and disorganized?

Unorganized is an untouched landscape waiting to be played with. Disorganized is when a kid knocks down your letter blocks.

 

[Iti oj]

Unorganized is an untouched landscape waiting to be played with. Disorganized is when a kid knocks down your letter blocks.

now we have a 3 headed coin