Chick-Full-of-Hate caught pretending to be a teenage girl, then denies it

[Father Heathen]

To deny building permits to bigots is a good thing to do ... it will teach them a lesson.

People have the right to be bigoted. It's when they victimize or violate the rights of innocent people that the line is drawn.

 

[Revoltingest]

To deny building permits to bigots is a good thing to do ... it will teach them a lesson.

So you favor illegal means to advance a "progressive" agenda?
If this is acceptable, may conservatives use illegal methods to ban liberal establishments?
Methinks that this promotes a lawless balkanization of society.

 

[Father Heathen]

To deny building permits is unjust & bigoted too

I agree that it's unjust. I'm simply responding to the notion that Chic-fil-A's view is somehow sound and sensible.

 

[Chisti]

So you favor illegal means to advance a "progressive" agenda?
If this is acceptable, may conservatives use illegal methods to ban liberal establishments?
Methinks that this promotes a lawless balkanization of society.

As a progressive, I will do everything I can, including using govt., laws etc., to subdue conservatives. Simple.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree that it's unjust. I'm simply responding to the notion that Chic-fil-A's view is somehow sound and sensible.

People have a right to hold unsound views. Many would say that my permissive views are unsound, ie, that minimal governmental
regulation of our lives leads to wrong thoughts, rampant capitalism, unrepentant libertine behavior, etc. But who among us has
access to the absolute inerrant truth to say that I'm wrong? Does my business deserve extra-legal punishment for my views?

 

[Father Heathen]

As a progressive, I will do everything I can, including using govt., laws etc., to subdue conservatives. Simple.

Even if it comes to compromising your honor, honesty and ethics?

 

[Chisti]

Even if it comes to compromising your honor, honesty and ethics?

I am a moral relativist.

 

[Father Heathen]

People have a right to hold unsound views. Many would say that my permissive views are unsound, ie, that minimal governmental
regulation of our lives leads to wrong thoughts, rampant capitalism, unrepentant libertine behavior, etc. But who among us has
access to the absolute inerrant truth to say that I'm wrong? Does my business deserve extra-legal punishment for my views?

There is a difference between simply holding views, and attempting to impose those views upon others, especially when it comes down to denying people rights, equality, and freedom.

 

[Revoltingest]

As a progressive, I will do everything I can, including using govt., laws etc., to subdue conservatives. Simple.

How far would you push governmental sanctions against wrong thought.....police brutality, confiscation of property?
Do you actually oppose a tolerant system where government itself must obey the rule of law?
Or do you believe that supporting gay rights is what matters most, & it should be enforced by any means possible?

 

[Revoltingest]

There is a difference between simply holding views, and attempting to impose those views upon others, especially when it comes down to denying people rights, equality, and freedom.

Of course.
I don't think anyone is disputing that though.

 

[Father Heathen]

I am a moral relativist.

You don't mind how it might reflect your character and conduct?

 

[Revoltingest]

As a progressive, I will do everything I can, including using govt., laws etc., to subdue conservatives. Simple.

Would you allow them to do the same to you?

 

[Chisti]

How far would you push governmental sanctions against wrong thought.....police brutality, confiscation of property?
Do you actually oppose a tolerant system where government itself must obey the rule of law?
Or do you believe that supporting gay rights is what matters most, & it should be enforced by any means possible?

I am not talking about gay rights alone, and I include anti racism/sexism etc. with it. That said, I am against physical violence, so using the law or some kind of economic boycott seems to be the best method.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I looked around in that other thread and followed a few links, and just wanted to say, the blocking of the building permits is in fact legal, because that area of Chicago has some weird law on the books where the Alderman can use his own discretion about such matters. So it is technically legal; it's just obvious the guy is doing this based on his moral objection alone.

 

[Chisti]

You don't mind how it might reflect your character and conduct?

Short answer, no. I am not trying to win a popularity contest but to ensure that every human being feels safe.

 

[Revoltingest]

I looked around in that other thread and followed a few links, and just wanted to say, the blocking of the building permits is in fact legal, because that area of Chicago has some weird law on the books where the Alderman can use his own discretion about such matters. So it is technically legal; it's just obvious the guy is doing this based on his moral objection alone.

I dispute the legality.
Law or no law, it would be a 14th Amendment violation IMO.

 

[Revoltingest]

Short answer, no. I am not trying to win a popularity contest but to ensure that every human being feels safe.

Hah! I find your views frightening, since you would give government far greater power than they can legally exercise even now.

So....now that I don't feel safe, & you are the cause....just what should be done with you?
I'll have to give some thought to your punishment. BTW, do you have any phobias?
Any music you really hate? Barry Manilow? Kraftwerk? Debby Boone? Philip Glass?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I guess a high court could hear and decide. I honestly do not have all facts about what exactly Chik did in terms of simply mentioning they don't support same-sex or if the company includes that in their policies. But if they are not following EOE laws then I believe they do not receive protection in that manner from the 14th, because they are a business, and not an individual.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess a high court could hear and decide. I honestly do not have all facts about what exactly Chik did in terms of simply mentioning they don't support same-sex or if the company includes that in their policies. But if they are not following EOE laws then I believe they do not receive protection in that manner from the 14th, because they are a business, and not an individual.

I don't let facts get in the way of my opinions.

 

[Father Heathen]

Short answer, no. I am not trying to win a popularity contest but to ensure that every human being feels safe.

Punishing people for holding the wrong opinion makes people feel safe? And being honest and ethical isn't about popularity, it's about personal integrity and dignity.