Evidence against Evolution

[dust1n]

Welp. Seems the work here is done.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Welp. Seems the work here is done.

Give them some credit. I'm sure that, if you give them enough time, all those creation scientists will work hard, publish, experiment and eventually formulate new ways of using the exact same refuted arguments.

 

[icebuddy]

Any "more" evidence against Evolution?

I havent been here for a long time, but that question in itself is odd to me. For I believe in Creation and that ever since creation, Gods creation is able to evolve. Now I dont believe in huge jumps from one spieces to another.

While i was playing hockey, my friend got high sticked right accross the forehead. He has this large bump and we all laughed and call him cro-magnon Man. We all laughed and I told him that if he were to die the next day and 1000 years from now get dug up by some scientist that he would be the missing link...

Anyways, Alot of my good friends believe in Evolution of Mankind, i just dont have enough faith to believe everything came from nothing. I remember when i was young my Gradma told me that science use to believe that the universe was infinate and had always existed and teased Creationist of believing in a expanding universe that had a beginning... my point is that everyone has their moments of error, for we are all human.

In Love,
tom

 

[Looncall]

I havent been here for a long time, but that question in itself is odd to me. For I believe in Creation and that ever since creation, Gods creation is able to evolve. Now I dont believe in huge jumps from one spieces to another.

While i was playing hockey, my friend got high sticked right accross the forehead. He has this large bump and we all laughed and call him cro-magnon Man. We all laughed and I told him that if he were to die the next day and 1000 years from now get dug up by some scientist that he would be the missing link...

Anyways, Alot of my good friends believe in Evolution of Mankind, i just dont have enough faith to believe everything came from nothing. I remember when i was young my Gradma told me that science use to believe that the universe was infinate and had always existed and teased Creationist of believing in a expanding universe that had a beginning... my point is that everyone has their moments of error, for we are all human.

In Love,
tom

That is not to say that nothing is known, or that ancient campfire tales constitute a superior source of knowledge.

 

[Zoe Doidge]

I havent been here for a long time, but that question in itself is odd to me. For I believe in Creation and that ever since creation, Gods creation is able to evolve. Now I dont believe in huge jumps from one spieces to another.

There's nothing to say you can't believe in both (theistic evolution), it really depends on when you believe the creation took place.

 

[Dan4reason]

Anyways, Alot of my good friends believe in Evolution of Mankind, i just dont have enough faith to believe everything came from nothing. I remember when i was young my Gradma told me that science use to believe that the universe was infinate and had always existed and teased Creationist of believing in a expanding universe that had a beginning... my point is that everyone has their moments of error, for we are all human.

In Love,
tom

Evolution does not say that everything came from nothing, it says that all life came from a common ancestor.

 

[icebuddy]

Evolution of Man
It is my understanding that in order for one to believe in the Evolution Chart, that we must also believe in Mutations as the vehicle that brings life along its path to higher order. This is something I find very hard to believe. For all mutations I have seen are negative and most lead to death of a species. That would mean we would have to have billions upon billions of positive mutations that help a species going to a higher order of things on the Evolution Chart.
Does anyone here have an Ideal of how many positive mutations it would take per year to get from life evolving out of non life to today? Also, how many positive mutations per day are still going on to bring us into the higher order of tomorrow...
In Love,
Tom

 

[icebuddy]

That is not to say that nothing is known, or that ancient campfire tales constitute a superior source of knowledge.

Campfire or Bunsen Burner tales exist everywhere. However, what is truth and what is a tale is what we all want to know...

 

[icebuddy]

There's nothing to say you can't believe in both (theistic evolution), it really depends on when you believe the creation took place.

Not talking dates, but i believe Man was created (Adam and Eve). Since then, Evolution of Gods complex creation has existed.

 

[icebuddy]

Evolution does not say that everything came from nothing, it says that all life came from a common ancestor.

The Reason I believe all life must come from the same Ancestor(God) is because the DNA code is all in the same language.

Why do you believe all life came from the same ancestor if in your own belief that life springing out of non-life is possible?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Evolution of Man
It is my understanding that in order for one to believe in the Evolution Chart, that we must also believe in Mutations as the vehicle that brings life along its path to higher order. This is something I find very hard to believe. For all mutations I have seen are negative and most lead to death of a species. That would mean we would have to have billions upon billions of positive mutations that help a species going to a higher order of things on the Evolution Chart.
Does anyone here have an Ideal of how many positive mutations it would take per year to get from life evolving out of non life to today? Also, how many positive mutations per day are still going on to bring us into the higher order of tomorrow...
In Love,
Tom

If you were to study a little genetics, you would find that the vast majority of genetic mutations are neutral, or provide no benefit or disadvantage.
Mutations occur with every birth.

 

[icebuddy]

If you were to study a little genetics, you would find that the vast majority of genetic mutations are neutral, or provide no benefit or disadvantage.
Mutations occur with every birth.

ok, Let me rephrase my question to help you with an answer to it

Evolution of Man
It is my understanding that in order for one to believe in the Evolution Chart, that we must also believe in many positive Mutations as the vehicle that brings life along its path to higher order. This is something I find very hard to believe. For all non-nuetral mutations I have seen are negative and most lead to death of a species. That would mean we would have to have billions upon billions of positive benificial mutations that help a species going to a higher order of things on the Evolution Chart.

Does anyone here have an Ideal of how many positive benificial mutations it would take per year to get from life evolving out of non life to today? Also, how many positive mutations per day are still going on to bring us into the higher order of tomorrow...

 

[painted wolf]

Evolution of Man
It is my understanding that in order for one to believe in the Evolution Chart, that we must also believe in Mutations as the vehicle that brings life along its path to higher order. This is something I find very hard to believe. For all mutations I have seen are negative and most lead to death of a species. That would mean we would have to have billions upon billions of positive mutations that help a species going to a higher order of things on the Evolution Chart.
Does anyone here have an Ideal of how many positive mutations it would take per year to get from life evolving out of non life to today? Also, how many positive mutations per day are still going on to bring us into the higher order of tomorrow...
In Love,
Tom

You have between 100 and 200 unique mutations that make you different from both your parents and your siblings. Yet, here you are.

Most mutations are neutral and do absolutely nothing.

wa:do

 

[Looncall]

Campfire or Bunsen Burner tales exist everywhere. However, what is truth and what is a tale is what we all want to know...

One way to tell the difference is to look for evidence. That is what supports evolution and does not support creationism.

 

[Dan4reason]

Evolution of Man
It is my understanding that in order for one to believe in the Evolution Chart, that we must also believe in Mutations as the vehicle that brings life along its path to higher order. This is something I find very hard to believe. For all mutations I have seen are negative and most lead to death of a species. That would mean we would have to have billions upon billions of positive mutations that help a species going to a higher order of things on the Evolution Chart.
Does anyone here have an Ideal of how many positive mutations it would take per year to get from life evolving out of non life to today? Also, how many positive mutations per day are still going on to bring us into the higher order of tomorrow...
In Love,
Tom

The average human has 100 mutations. Now keep in mind that the human genome has 20,000 genes. In 20 generation, humans would be pretty corrupted.
Are Mutations Harmful?

The reason that we are just fine is that most mutations are neutral. Natural selection will weed out the bad mutations. Now what about good mutations?

We have seen many good mutations:
Good mutations allow bacteria to become resistant to antibiotics.
In the lenski experiement we saw mutations increasing the body size of bacteria. Once culture even evolved the ability to eat citric acid in water.
E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We saw a mutation which will make someone immune to aids.
Immune to HIV: How Do They Do It? | LiveScience
Mutations allowed bacteria to be able to eat nylon:
Nylon-eating bacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We saw mutations in humans allowing a group of people to become more resistant to heart attack.
Apolipoprotein A1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We also saw multicellularity evolve:
Multicellular Life Evolves in Laboratory | Wired Science | Wired.com

 

[Dan4reason]

The Reason I believe all life must come from the same Ancestor(God) is because the DNA code is all in the same language.

Why do you believe all life came from the same ancestor if in your own belief that life springing out of non-life is possible?

Well evolution says that all life came from the same ancestor too. And why wouldn't God make organisms with a different basic genetic code? That would have made them very resistant to viruses and bacteria.

What abiogenesis shows is that life evolved from non-life. This life then evolved into more and more advanced life-forms. We know that the basic amino acids making up life form very easily in the early earth.
Miller

Abiogenesis predicted that the stuff of life should have been created with natural processes even before we had evidence of this happening.

 

[icebuddy]

You have between 100 and 200 unique mutations that make you different from both your parents and your siblings. Yet, here you are.

Most mutations are neutral and do absolutely nothing.

wa:do

How does the Evolutionary chart explain itself from getting from one species to another with Positive Mutations if we need Billions of positive mutations and see none/few today that Im aware of...

 

[icebuddy]

One way to tell the difference is to look for evidence. That is what supports evolution and does not support creationism.

What is your evidence? Sure I can see drawings and theories, but we do not experiance positive mutations in our life span taking one species into another. (like on the Evolutionay Chart)

 

[icebuddy]

We have seen many good mutations:
Good mutations allow bacteria to become resistant to antibiotics.
In the lenski experiement we saw mutations increasing the body size of bacteria. Once culture even evolved the ability to eat citric acid in water.
E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We saw a mutation which will make someone immune to aids.
Immune to HIV: How Do They Do It? | LiveScience
Mutations allowed bacteria to be able to eat nylon:
Nylon-eating bacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We saw mutations in humans allowing a group of people to become more resistant to heart attack.
Apolipoprotein A1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We also saw multicellularity evolve:
Multicellular Life Evolves in Laboratory | Wired Science | Wired.com

i will do some reading, but Im sure it will bring many more questions.

 

[painted wolf]

How does the Evolutionary chart explain itself from getting from one species to another with Positive Mutations if we need Billions of positive mutations and see none/few today that Im aware of...

Actually it doesn't take billions of positive mutations. Most of it is done by neutral mutations called genetic drift.
The Lion and the Tiger are different species, but they really aren't all that different from one another.

As another example, we know the mutations that happened to make us different from Chimps (we don't yet know what all they do) and most of them are simple single nucleotide changes. For instance there is a single nucleotide difference between our FoxP2 gene and theirs. FoxP2 is one of the genes that gives us the ability to talk. Obviously not all of these changes needed to happen at the same time, but slowly over a period of 6 to 4 million years.

wa:do