Bhakti (devotion towards God)

[Jainarayan]

OK, I'll go with that phrase (sometimes I fumble for words... medication issue ). I just never heard it put that way, as us each re-paying karmic debt to each other. Speaking for myself, I just never thought whom we are re-paying our karmic debt to!

 

[chinu]

OK, I'll go with that phrase (sometimes I fumble for words... medication issue ). I just never heard it put that way, as us each re-paying karmic debt to each other. Speaking for myself, I just never thought whom we are re-paying our karmic debt to!

Generally karmic debt is borrowed from the people who are very close to us ie: childerns

 

[Jainarayan]

Then my family, especially my parents, owe me big time!

 

[chinu]

Then my family, especially my parents, owe me big time!

Karmic load has a miraculous mystry, if borrowed its complusry to pay back, if given than also complusry to take back.

 

[zenzero]

Friend chinu,

Karmic load has a miraculous mystry

What is the mystery??
karma is very scientific.

Love & rgds

 

[chinu]

Friend chinu,


What is the mystery??
karma is very scientific.

Love & rgds

Yes! scientific in your language.

 

[zenzero]

Friend chinu,

Yes! scientific in your language.

We all breath the same air, eat similar food, read/consult same language/dictionary; which dictionary are you using??

Love & rgds

 

[chinu]

We all breath the same air

No, there's lot of difference between the air in a beer-bar and Chruch, Temple etc.. Our questions and answers, or the ability to understand anything, or to ignore anything, depends on where we are spending the most of our time.

eat similar food,

No, there's lot of difference between the food served/made by a lusty person, and Greedy person, or a devoted person. Our questions and answers, or the ability to understand anything, or to ignore anything, depends on the type of food which we are eating.

read/consult same language/dictionary;

Yes

which dictionary are you using??

Am week in english.

 

[Vrindavana Das]

Then my family, especially my parents, owe me big time!

It is the other way round my friend!

There are different kind of debts we all have.

Debt to sages - who have given us so much in terms of knowledge that we use (scriptures etc.).

Debt to demigods - who are supplying us rain, fire, sunshine etc.

Debt to other living entities - like trees which provide us fruits, plants that provide us grains, cow that provide us milk etc.

Debt to parents - The physical body we have, comes from our parents and develops inside the womb of our mother. She carries us in her womb for 9 months. In-fact it is said that we can never repay the debt of our parents.

As stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.5.41):

devarṣi-bhūtāpta-nṛṇāṁ pitṝṇāṁ
na kiṅkaro nāyam ṛṇī ca rājan
sarvātmanā yaḥ śaraṇaṁ śaraṇyaṁ
gato mukundaṁ parihṛtya kartam

Everyone is indebted to the demigods, to living entities in general, to his family, to the pitās and so on, but if one fully surrenders to Kṛṣṇa, Mukunda, who can give one liberation, even if one performs no yajñas, one is freed from all debts.

 

[zenzero]

Friend chinu,

When we agree that it is all God/existence then how can two persons also parts of that same God breathe/eat/read different different air/food/dictionary??

If you cannot read this then use english to hindi if online translator.

Love & rgds

 

[chinu]

Friend chinu,

When we agree that it is all God/existence then how can two persons also parts of that same God breathe/eat/read different different air/food/dictionary??

Because of different mind's.

 

[zenzero]

Friend chinu,

Because of different mind's.

How times you need to be reminded that MIND has no place where CONSCIOUSNESS is concerned???
thought you said that you are a teacher/master??? hmmmmm.................

Love & rgds

 

[chinu]

Friend chinu,


How many times you need to be reminded that MIND has no place where CONSCIOUSNESS is concerned???

There are only two states MIND and NO-MIND
If this state is MIND than i think am right.
If this state is No-MIND than there would be no discussions at all, because than who is left behind to carry on the discissions ?

 

[zenzero]

Friend chinu,

There are only two states MIND and NO-MIND
If this state is MIND than i think am right.
If this state is No-MIND than there would be no discussions at all, because than who is left behind to carry on the discissions ?

Once no-mind is reached mind always recedes like when the light is taken towards darkness and so if someone is still in darkness and not a light unto himself then surely a lot of work remains.

Love & rgds

 

[ratikala]

dear prabhu ji's

Karmic load has a miraculous mystry, if borrowed its complusry to pay back, if given than also complusry to take back.

wondefull ....but do not dispair chinu my freind ,

this karmic debt is indeed mysterious and miraculous ,

but the debt may be paid by willingly giving out of love and gratitude

in which case it is allso compulsory to take back , in that you recive the gift of love and gratitude , the lords mercy!

 

[ratikala]

Friend chinu,


What is the mystery??
karma is very scientific.

Love & rgds

and freind zenzero ji ,

this is allso true karma is very scientific !

one can certainly assertain that for every action there must be a reaction , and one may make a science from the study of such phenomena ,

but still it is wonderous to see each action unfold into reaction ....and one canot help but search for the original action that brought it all about ,....
and search as we may for the origin of our beeing ..the action that caused us to create the result we now experience ....
and try as we may .. we find only god ..... and for want of a better word we find this both wonderfull and mysterious :bow:

 

[zenzero]

Friend ratikala,

we are back again to the same question.
Who is the one who states about any mystery??
Is there anyone still left to state if it is or not is be it mystery, action, horror, drama etc.???

Love & rgds

 

[ratikala]

Quote:
Originally Posted by zenzero
We all breath the same air
chinu's answer ...
No, there's lot of difference between the air in a beer-bar and Chruch, Temple etc.. Our questions and answers, or the ability to understand anything, or to ignore anything, depends on where we are spending the most of our time.

excelent , jai , jai !

on a more subtle level , yes !... we take in or are affected by the colective actions going on around us ! which in turn affects our actions and the reactions we bring upon ourselves !!!

Quote:zenzero
eat similar food,

chinu
No, there's lot of difference between the food served/made by a lusty person, and Greedy person, or a devoted person. Our questions and answers, or the ability to understand anything, or to ignore anything, depends on the type of food which we are eating.

perfect !!! thank you chinu ji ,

the food we are eating , the company we are keeping ! and the actions we perform together , colectively , .... thus the need for worship and ritual ....here , by this example one might understand that both ritual and worship are so much more than tradition , so much moer than superstition , but it is the result of previous actions that we come together , ...and that we come together, will be the case of future reaction ...
thus the need for us to come together with a pure mind and through pure intention .
thus our future will be ......

ok , ... work that out scientificaly or how ever way you wish ...I would like to hear tha answer

Quote:zenzero
read/consult same language/dictionary;
chinu....Yes
Quote:
which dictionary are you using??
Am week in english. __________________

:namaste​

no matter , no matter !
exactness in language is only a matter of oppinion , it is simply a tool , a usefull one , but none the less simply a tool .
​

 

[ratikala]

There are different kind of debts we all have......



As stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.5.41):

devarṣi-bhūtāpta-nṛṇāṁ pitṝṇāṁ
na kiṅkaro nāyam ṛṇī ca rājan
sarvātmanā yaḥ śaraṇaṁ śaraṇyaṁ
gato mukundaṁ parihṛtya kartam

Everyone is indebted to the demigods, to living entities in general, to his family, to the pitās and so on, but if one fully surrenders to Kṛṣṇa, Mukunda, who can give one liberation, even if one performs no yajñas, one is freed from all debts.

so many debts ....as vrindarvana das says ....different kinds ...on so many levels , and how we perceive ..... whether we perceive as an unavoidable debt to be paid or gratitude to be spontaniously given ?..... all efect the action and its insuing reaction ...it is complex and wonderfull ... thus I agreed mysterious , as it is beyond human conception to see the complexity , the implications , only bhagavan can see all in its fullness .....

....so , yes ! .... only surrender to sri bhagavan can wipe out all debts , only surrender brings liberation :bow:

thankyou , realy nice thoughts for a sunday morning

 

[ratikala]

dear prabhu ji ,

Friend ratikala,

we are back again to the same question.
Who is the one who states about any mystery??
Is there anyone still left to state if it is or not is be it mystery, action, horror, drama etc.???

Love & rgds

*we* are back to the same question .......thus proving that there is a *we* , we being a collective of beings asking the question .....
and *me* the one who agrees with the mystery ?? as it is a science beyond mere human embodied conception !!!

but as to wheher it is mystery , horor or drama .....? that is down to personal conception .....ones current level of awareness ....

so yes ,... at present there is a personal being conceiving .....even if that is an enlightened being .... it is still a being
...even if it is a being that does not attatch to a sence of self , it is still a being

but ultimately ... we are allways back to the same question ?.... our relationship to the supreme !