Things you wished your God/Prophet never said.

[robo]

Shalom/Namaste/Asalamaleikum:

Are there certain things you wished your God/prophet had never said?

Like for instance, if I were Christian, I would find it very difficult to defend the following:

On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; and both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does that have to do with us?"

For a Son of God to disrespect his mother like this...

If I were Muslim, I would find it very difficult to believe that the one person chosen from all of humankind to be the last prophet of Allah would say something like this:

Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine.

Really? We should all stop playing chess?

If I were Hindu, I would find it very difficult to believe that God creates castes and assigns caste by birth.

As Christians, Hindus and Muslims, with hindsight, dont you wish your God/prophet had not said/done some of these things?

 

[zenzero]

Friend robo,

Things you wished your God/Prophet never said.

It is the other way round; existence/God is pointing so many things in so many ways every moment that have no other choice but be in tune with IT!

Love & rgds

 

[Gharib]

If I were Muslim, I would find it very difficult to believe that the one person chosen from all of humankind to be the last prophet of Allah would say something like this:

Really? We should all stop playing chess?

Why should you not stop playing chess if the Prophet of God says so?

 

[robo]

Why should you not stop playing chess if the Prophet of God says so?

I am just asking whether you would have an easy time had that hadith not been extant. Isnt it easy for non-Muslims to pick that verse and ask you to explain why Mohammed said so? Then you have to get into weird verbal gymnastics to defend your prophet...it would have been so much easier had your prophet no said such things...

 

[Gharib]

I am just asking whether you would have an easy time had that hadith not been extant. Isnt it easy for non-Muslims to pick that verse and ask you to explain why Mohammed said so? Then you have to get into weird verbal gymnastics to defend your prophet...it would have been so much easier had your prophet no said such things...

You are looking at the examples that you posted from a non-believer perspective. So while you were at it, why not just say that it would have been better if God and his Prophets had just kept quiet?

To me, that's what you are saying.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It was a thoroughly disingenuous question intended to mock and incite. The opening ("Shalom/Namaste/Asalamaleikum") is cynical window dressing at best.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Quote mining? Really?

 

[robo]

You are looking at the examples that you posted from a non-believer perspective.

That is exactly right.

If you were to convince me [as a non-Muslim] that Mohammed was the last prophet of Allah, do you think that verse is helping you or hindering you?

 

[robo]

Quote mining? Really?

You are on the staff.

Please let me know if my questions on RF are inciting/mocking.

I hope I am provided some warning/infractions, etc. before I am outright banned.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Please let me know if my questions on RF are inciting/mocking.

 

[Gharib]

That is exactly right.

If you were to convince me [as a non-Muslim] that Mohammed was the last prophet of Allah, do you think that verse is helping you or hindering you?

I do not have the power to guide nor convince anyone, such power belongs to God. If you don't want to 'believe' but at the same time pretend to (ie, be dishonest) then even if I was to quote the opposite of the verses and hadith which you consider us being better off without, it would make no difference. You would still not be "convinced".

 

[robo]

I do not have the power to guide nor convince anyone, such power belongs to God. If you don't want to 'believe' but at the same time pretend to (ie, be dishonest) then even if I was to quote the opposite of the verses and hadith which you consider us being better off without, it would make no difference. You would still not be "convinced".

I think you are missing the point eselam. It is GREAT that you have verses that oppose the hadith forbidding playing of chess. My point is, WHY have these chess-forbidding verses at all AND then have another set of opposing verses?

 

[robo]

Perhaps, let me relay the essence of my OP.

Are there stuff in your religion that, with hindsight, you think should not be a part of your religion?

 

[Gharib]

I think you are missing the point eselam. It is GREAT that you have verses that oppose the hadith forbidding playing of chess. My point is, WHY have these chess-forbidding verses at all AND then have another set of opposing verses?

You have misunderstood me, saying that I would quote the opposite was a figure of speech denoting a persons dishonesty who claims that if such and such was not part of your belief I would join you. Which is what you were trying to say.

There is no opposite hadith about advocating chess.

 

[Gharib]

Perhaps, let me relay the essence of my OP.

Are there stuff in your religion that, with hindsight, you think should not be a part of your religion?

I need to write more than 5 stupid characters, NO.

 

[Tarheeler]

Perhaps, let me relay the essence of my OP.

Are there stuff in your religion that, with hindsight, you think should not be a part of your religion?

No, but there are things that I wish people with insufficient knowledge, an agenda, or a fondness for biblical literalism would stop insisting are divine mandates or "core teachings" of my religion.

 

[Falvlun]

Well, I wish atheists would stop saying that infants are atheists. I definitely regret that meme coming into existence.

 

[HerDotness]

I can't imagine why this passage was ever included in the NT: [NKJV Luke 2:41-50]

41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. 43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother[l] did not know it; 44 but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day’s journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances. 45 So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. 46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. 48 So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”

49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” 50 But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them.

When I finally read through the Bible thinking about what it said and not just blissfully accepting each portion I heard quoted and explained in isolation, I realized that this one is not simply pointing out how wondrous it was that Jesus could impress the Temple scholars at such a young age.

You can see what I mean by examining what I've underlined. Mary and Joseph were poor people. It cost both time and money for them to have to go back to Jerusalem and then spend THREE DAYS searching for this kid; any parent would have been angry, frantic and ultimately furious at his cheeky reply when they at last find him safe and sound.

Didn't the author of Luke know ANYthing about parenting? It doesn't appear so. No parent would have understood that this was simply something Jesus had to do, and if he was indeed both God and man, he had some nerve putting his poor parents through that, not to mention giving them an answer that suggests there's something wrong with them for not realizing that he was simply doing God's work. Talk about insolent and uncaring!

 

[Erebus]

I wish my Gods hadn't decreed that the blood of sacrificial victims never be washed from the sacred robes. Do you have any idea how badly our social gatherings at Bohemian Grove reek by now?

Also what's this obsession with virgins? I live in Manchester, it's not easy to find an 18 year old virgin in the first place, much less entice them into the coven's underground temple of agony.

It was all so much easier when things were run by the Babylonian Reptile aliens

 

[HeatherAnn]

Well, I wish atheists would stop saying that infants are atheists. I definitely regret that meme coming into existence.

I agree.
If God is defined as Creation, what can be more proof of Creation than a new creature as an infant?