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What makes Islam a religion of peace

markymark

Active Member
Holy **** dude.

I can use Wikipedia too!

The Inquisition:
The Inquisition, Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis (inquiry on heretical perversity), was the "fight against heretics" by several institutions within the justice-system of the Roman Catholic Church. It started in the 12th century, with the introduction of torture in the persecution of heresy.[1] Inquisition practices were used also on offences against canon law other than heresy.

The Crusades:
The Crusades were a series of religious expeditionary wars blessed by the Pope and the Catholic Church, with the main goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. The Crusades were originally launched in response to a call from the leaders of the Byzantine Empire for help to fight the expansion into Anatolia of Muslim Seljuk Turks who had cut off access to Jerusalem.[1] The crusaders comprised military units of Roman Catholics from all over western Europe, and were not under unified command. The main series of Crusades, primarily against Muslims, occurred between 1095 and 1291. Historians have given many of the earlier crusades numbers. After some early successes, the later crusades failed and the crusaders were defeated and forced to return home.

Colonialism:
Christianity and colonialism are often closely associated because Catholicism, Russian Orthodoxy and Protestantism were the religions of the European colonial powers[52] and acted in many ways as the "religious arm" of those powers.[53] Initially, Christian missionaries were portrayed as "visible saints, exemplars of ideal piety in a sea of persistent savagery". However, by the time the colonial era drew to a close in the last half of the twentieth century, missionaries became viewed as “ideological shock troops for colonial invasion whose zealotry blinded them.”[54]
Christianity is targeted by critics of colonialism because the tenets of the religion were used to justify the actions of the colonists.[55] For example, Michael Wood asserts that the indigenous peoples were not considered to be human beings and that the colonisers was shaped by "centuries of Ethnocentrism, and Christian monotheism, which espoused one truth, one time and version of reality.”[56]

Slavery:
Nearly all Christian leaders before the late 17th century regarded slavery, within specific Biblical limitations, as consistent with Christian theology.Pope Nicholas V instituted hereditary slavery of captured Muslims and pagans, which effectively meant Africans or Asians.[citation needed] As he read the Bible, God had instructed his faithful to make slaves of the neighboring heathens.[citation needed] Pope Paul III in the 1537 bull Sublimis Deus forbade the seizing of pagans as slaves, however various Christian groups[who?] have taught that Africans were the descendants of Ham, cursed with "the mark of Ham" (dark skin) to be servants to the descendants of Japheth (Europeans) and Shem (Asians).[2]

Oh yeah, definitely a religion of peace, buddy.


hello there - like i said the crusades happen - people have often used christanity for the wrong reasons ....but the founder of islam was a plotical warlord involved in battel with his home town for 8 years

THATS MY POINT - those people involved in the crusdes were not folloeing the bible ..... but old mo he killed many in battle and by histrical fact was a warlord - fact - cant change that
 

markymark

Active Member
You might even believe that you're being honest but why should we believe you? I believe that if you were faced with being crucified for your beliefs you would scream and cry like a little girl. But since there is no possible way for us to know who is correct it doesn't really matter does it?

did i deny that i would not want to do it - of course i did not , nobody would want to do that and yes ii would cry like many would while being tourterd , but if the pricce was eterntiy in heaven

OF COURSE I WOULD DO IT.... ETERNITY IN HEAVEN FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS OF PAIN

i see try you have decide not to anser the list of isses i gave to you regarding

Islam and the treatment of woman and non Muslims - but i can see why you would not like to go down that dirty path
 

markymark

Active Member
It's very easy to make a claim like that when you know it will never happen. Since the rest of us also know it will never happen we have no reason to believe you.

how do you know my life will never be threatend and have to make a choice to be faithful or give up your faith...

how old are you ?
 

markymark

Active Member
Holy **** dude.

I can use Wikipedia too!

The Inquisition:
The Inquisition, Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis (inquiry on heretical perversity), was the "fight against heretics" by several institutions within the justice-system of the Roman Catholic Church. It started in the 12th century, with the introduction of torture in the persecution of heresy.[1] Inquisition practices were used also on offences against canon law other than heresy.

The Crusades:
The Crusades were a series of religious expeditionary wars blessed by the Pope and the Catholic Church, with the main goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. The Crusades were originally launched in response to a call from the leaders of the Byzantine Empire for help to fight the expansion into Anatolia of Muslim Seljuk Turks who had cut off access to Jerusalem.[1] The crusaders comprised military units of Roman Catholics from all over western Europe, and were not under unified command. The main series of Crusades, primarily against Muslims, occurred between 1095 and 1291. Historians have given many of the earlier crusades numbers. After some early successes, the later crusades failed and the crusaders were defeated and forced to return home.

Colonialism:
Christianity and colonialism are often closely associated because Catholicism, Russian Orthodoxy and Protestantism were the religions of the European colonial powers[52] and acted in many ways as the "religious arm" of those powers.[53] Initially, Christian missionaries were portrayed as "visible saints, exemplars of ideal piety in a sea of persistent savagery". However, by the time the colonial era drew to a close in the last half of the twentieth century, missionaries became viewed as “ideological shock troops for colonial invasion whose zealotry blinded them.”[54]
Christianity is targeted by critics of colonialism because the tenets of the religion were used to justify the actions of the colonists.[55] For example, Michael Wood asserts that the indigenous peoples were not considered to be human beings and that the colonisers was shaped by "centuries of Ethnocentrism, and Christian monotheism, which espoused one truth, one time and version of reality.”[56]

Slavery:
Nearly all Christian leaders before the late 17th century regarded slavery, within specific Biblical limitations, as consistent with Christian theology.Pope Nicholas V instituted hereditary slavery of captured Muslims and pagans, which effectively meant Africans or Asians.[citation needed] As he read the Bible, God had instructed his faithful to make slaves of the neighboring heathens.[citation needed] Pope Paul III in the 1537 bull Sublimis Deus forbade the seizing of pagans as slaves, however various Christian groups[who?] have taught that Africans were the descendants of Ham, cursed with "the mark of Ham" (dark skin) to be servants to the descendants of Japheth (Europeans) and Shem (Asians).[2]

Oh yeah, definitely a religion of peace, buddy.

THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY DO SO MANY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES EVEN HAVE DICTATORS THATS THE REASON FOR THE VIOLENCE - THE PEOPLE WANT CHANGE AFTER YEARS OF DICTATORS

so why are all Islamic states run by dictators ?

pls name just one that is not run by a dictatorship cause i cant think of any
 

outhouse

Atheistically
-Jesus was crucified for no fault and lived a life of peace and love that many chrisitans follow.

that is false.


according to scripture he was killed for [luke]

perverting the nation
tax evasion
claiming to be king
 

godlikemadman

God Among Men
Mark, we've established by now that you obviously have had some bad experiences with Islam in your life. Why else would you hate it so much? As for your claim about Muhammad "killing many thousands and cutting a baby out of a woman", this is absolute utter falsehood and you have no proof for this whatsoever. Prove some of your points with legitimate data or sources. No ******* Wikipedia, thats not a ******* source.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
Most Muslims I have met appear peaceful. I guess that would make Islam a religion of peace, if the followers believe in peace and peaceful solutions and such. At least their interpretation.
 

markymark

Active Member
that is false.


according to scripture he was killed for [luke]

perverting the nation
tax evasion
claiming to be king

did you just make that up ....sorry we work on facts , pls provide a source

apart from that muslims claim someone else took jesus place , so who was guilty of such things ...the imposter or jesus..... can you provide a source as i have for my points
 

outhouse

Atheistically
try this

"They began to accuse him, saying, "We found this man perverting the nation, forbidding paying taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king." - Luke 23:2
 

markymark

Active Member
Mark, we've established by now that you obviously have had some bad experiences with Islam in your life. Why else would you hate it so much? As for your claim about Muhammad "killing many thousands and cutting a baby out of a woman", this is absolute utter falsehood and you have no proof for this whatsoever. Prove some of your points with legitimate data or sources. No ******* Wikipedia, thats not a ******* source.

no i have read many many islmaic teachings ...wow you have a dirty mouth
 

markymark

Active Member
try this

"They began to accuse him, saying, "We found this man perverting the nation, forbidding paying taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king." - Luke 23:2

yes thats waht the roman accused him off ,l but he was no guilty of it , they needed something as they hated him, it also says many times they could not find anything against

/11:18/ And when the chief priests and the scribes heard it, they kept looking for a way to kill him; for they were afraid of him, because the whole crowd was spellbound by his teaching. /11:19/ And when evening came, Jesus and his disciples went out of the city.

= Luke 19:47-48
/19:47/ Every day he was teaching in the temple. The chief priests, the scribes, and the leaders of the people kept looking for a way to kill him; /19:48/ but they did not find anything they could do, for all the people were spellbound by what they heard.

so you just lied there mate well done
 

markymark

Active Member
try this

"They began to accuse him, saying, "We found this man perverting the nation, forbidding paying taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king." - Luke 23:2

i have here we go again

MO WAS A POLITICAL WARLORD AND ISLM WAS SPREAD BY THE SWORD- AHHHH THE RELIGION OF PEACE

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

SOUNDS LIKE WARLORD TO ME - AHHHH PEACE LOVLEY
 

outhouse

Atheistically
so you just lied there mate well done

when you read the rules of the forum and clicked the box [i agree] did you even read a word.?

10,9,8


and all I posted was scripture, how is your verses more valid then mine?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
i have here we go again

MO WAS A POLITICAL WARLORD AND ISLM WAS SPREAD BY THE SWORD- AHHHH THE RELIGION OF PEACE

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

SOUNDS LIKE WARLORD TO ME - AHHHH PEACE LOVLEY

For every violent passage you can find about the religion of islam, I can find 10 in the bible that are far worse, but i wont sink to your level of hatred.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
i see try you have decide not to anser the list of isses i gave to you regarding

Islam and the treatment of woman and non Muslims - but i can see why you would not like to go down that dirty path

What issues? I don't recall you giving me anything. If you are talking about your general rants I'm sorry but I just don't take them seriously enough to remember all the specifics. If I did miss a question from you please repeat it and I will address it.

how do you know my life will never be threatend and have to make a choice to be faithful or give up your faith...

how old are you ?

Opportunities for martyrdom in Christianity are pretty few and far between these days.

I'm 45 and have lived all over the world, learning to appreciate cultures and societies different from my own. I see the world and its peoples with open eyes and without fear or hatred. Maybe you should try it.
 

markymark

Active Member
For every violent passage you can find about the religion of islam, I can find 10 in the bible that are far worse, but i wont sink to your level of hatred.

well go ahead , i hope its from the NT as thats what we are insrtucted to life by and the quran does not have sucha concept of the NT

so re going to name those versus form the NT OR NOT

I am waiting
 

markymark

Active Member
What issues? I don't recall you giving me anything. If you are talking about your general rants I'm sorry but I just don't take them seriously enough to remember all the specifics. If I did miss a question from you please repeat it and I will address it.



Opportunities for martyrdom in Christianity are pretty few and far between these days.

I'm 45 and have lived all over the world, learning to appreciate cultures and societies different from my own. I see the world and its peoples with open eyes and without fear or hatred. Maybe you should try it.

did you just decide to ignore what i sent you page 7


Originally Posted by Trey of Diamonds
I never said he wasn't, what does it matter? King David was a warlord, Moses wasn't the nicest person either. As to being informed, I grew up in the Middle-East where my father was working in construction. I have had Muslim friends since I was 10 and learned about their history and culture first hand. I have no problems with the label "Religion of Peace".

Your turn, where do you get the justification for your hatred and prejudice towards Islam?

ok firstly - I never said he wasn't, - so you agree then he was



second - were should i begin

treatment towards unbelievers

the fact islam was birthed in violence and its founder killed many non muslims in war

the treatment of woman in islamic teachings

i think thats enough to get started .....so even thought the founder of islam who all muslim look to as the perfect Muslim killed unbelievers in battle and spread islam by the sword - you still belive it should label "Religion of Peace".

can you tell me why that is ?

does this jog your memory
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
second - were should i begin

treatment towards unbelievers

the fact islam was birthed in violence and its founder killed many non muslims in war

the treatment of woman in islamic teachings

i think thats enough to get started .....so even thought the founder of islam who all muslim look to as the perfect Muslim killed unbelievers in battle and spread islam by the sword - you still belive it should label "Religion of Peace".

can you tell me why that is ?

does this jog your memory

Ok, what does any of that matter when Christianity has an as bad if not worse tract record? You can't list all these things as evidence of Islam's being evil without addressing how they don't make Christianity evil. The history of all of the Abrahamic faiths are full of examples of hate, war and violence, no one claims they aren't. So why do you think Islam is any worse than the rest? Why are you avoiding that question?
 
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