no faith vs wrong faith

[Agnostic75]

Pascals wager always made me wonder if the safe bet is on God because if you wrong so what but if god exists and you do not believe then the consequences are dire, but what about choosing the wrong god? Wouldn't atheism be the safe bet this way you do not risk offending the god by worshiping the wrong one?

That is an excellent argument, and I have used it myself. Pascal was a brilliant man, but as far as I know, his wager only addresses Christianity and atheism, not the infinite number of other possible Gods.

Assuming for the sake of argument that a God exists, if it is probable that God is not the God of the Bible, it might be risky for people to accept the God of the Bible.

In addition to atheism, I think that agnosticism, and deism are also reasonable alternatives to theism.

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Greetings:
Being atheist at this time just means you have not heard any convincing message that would make you think otherwise. I would say, you are, at this time, better off as an Atheist.
Sincerely:
Hethatreadethit

 

[illykitty]

Hmm it's best to believe in some form of Divinity... If you get the wrong one, at least it's an honest mistake. How are you supposed to pick the right one when there's so many different versions? All of them could be valid and true. There's no way of knowing for sure until we die. So with this choice, at least you acknowledge the existance of some form of divinity.

But disbelief is rejecting all of them. With so many out there, how could you not pick one, or at least make it up yourself? It is saying that none at all exists, in any shape or form... For that reason I say this choice is "worse".

I personally believe that the Divine(s) are merciful and see what is in people's hearts. If someone wants to be forgiven, they will forgive that person, whatever the mistake was.

 

[Iti oj]

Greetings:
Being atheist at this time just means you have not heard any convincing message that would make you think otherwise. I would say, you are, at this time, better off as an Atheist.
Sincerely:
Hethatreadethit

Because im staying true to myself? True to the search?

welcome to rf btw. Frubals

 

[Iti oj]

Hmm it's best to believe in some form of Divinity... If you get the wrong one, at least it's an honest mistake. How are you supposed to pick the right one when there's so many different versions? All of them could be valid and true. There's no way of knowing for sure until we die. So with this choice, at least you acknowledge the existance of some form of divinity.

But disbelief is rejecting all of them. With so many out there, how could you not pick one, or at least make it up yourself? It is saying that none at all exists, in any shape or form... For that reason I say this choice is "worse".

I personally believe that the Divine(s) are merciful and see what is in people's hearts. If someone wants to be forgiven, they will forgive that person, whatever the mistake was.

can i reject divinity but not the divines message? Why does it even have to be rejection, wouldn't be dishonest to my self and the divine who made me to arbitrarily choose one?

 

[Iti oj]

That is an excellent argument, and I have used it myself. Pascal was a brilliant man, but as far as I know, his wager only addresses Christianity and atheism, not the infinite number of other possible Gods.

Assuming for the sake of argument that a God exists, if it is probable that God is not the God of the Bible, it might be risky for people to accept the God of the Bible.

In addition to atheism, I think that agnosticism, and deism are also reasonable alternatives to theism.

I guess it boils down to the truthfulness of the claims made about God. I think deism is a safe mix for society, but depending on how much you define your deist god if it is a safe bet in the pascal wagers sense.

 

[McBell]

Hmm it's best to believe in some form of Divinity... If you get the wrong one, at least it's an honest mistake. How are you supposed to pick the right one when there's so many different versions? All of them could be valid and true. There's no way of knowing for sure until we die. So with this choice, at least you acknowledge the existance of some form of divinity.

But disbelief is rejecting all of them. With so many out there, how could you not pick one, or at least make it up yourself? It is saying that none at all exists, in any shape or form... For that reason I say this choice is "worse".

I personally believe that the Divine(s) are merciful and see what is in people's hearts. If someone wants to be forgiven, they will forgive that person, whatever the mistake was.

I wonder what the divinity thinks of such "just in case" ""belief""?

Seems to me that any deity that is fine with "just in case" beliefs is not a deity worth believing in....

 

[BruceDLimber]

Who was your god again, and could you tell me more about him/her?

The One God who's responsible for the initiation of ALL the world's great religions!

God is All-loving, All-knowing, and has many other positive attributes as well.

You can learn more about him by reading various scriptures; for example, you can see the Baha'i scriptures at these sites:

http://www.bahai-library.org (click "Writings")

http://www.reference.bahai.org (this site is multilingual)

Best regards, and good hunting!

Bruce

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Hmm it's best to believe in some form of Divinity... If you get the wrong one, at least it's an honest mistake. How are you supposed to pick the right one when there's so many different versions? All of them could be valid and true. There's no way of knowing for sure until we die. So with this choice, at least you acknowledge the existance of some form of divinity.

But disbelief is rejecting all of them. With so many out there, how could you not pick one, or at least make it up yourself? It is saying that none at all exists, in any shape or form... For that reason I say this choice is "worse".

I personally believe that the Divine(s) are merciful and see what is in people's hearts. If someone wants to be forgiven, they will forgive that person, whatever the mistake was.

Greetings Kitty,Meow:
It is possible and likely and I believe it is true that G-d does manifest Himself like the seasons. I believe' it is early spring( spiritually ) and the word of God may once again bring understanding to the hearts of those who are watching. Coming out of the cold winter desolation is difficult for those who are fond of dead doctrines, and vain religious practices observed by many who think that any ol church will do.
It will be necessary for G-d to manifest His truth in His time, to deliver man out of Babylon (religious confusion).

 

[waitasec]

But disbelief is rejecting all of them. With so many out there, how could you not pick one,

maybe because the foundational premise doesn't make sense...

or at least make it up yourself?

this seems to be a common practice

It is saying that none at all exists, in any shape or form... For that reason I say this choice is "worse".

why?

I personally believe that the Divine(s) are merciful and see what is in people's hearts. If someone wants to be forgiven, they will forgive that person, whatever the mistake was.

i don't think you are alone

 

[Hethatreadethit]

Because im staying true to myself? True to the search?

welcome to rf btw. Frubals

Religion is serious business. Not to scare anyone, but rather just to make you think about this:

1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord

This is concerning the Lord's supper and should only be done among the true believers, and who are they? Disregard for this sacred event can bring spiritual dillusion,and eventually destruction as the course of the world continues towards disaster.

sa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

To the obedient ones, the word of God brings joy and gladness, but to those who twist and distort and turn the ear from it, it brings spiritual drunkedness and disaster:

Deu 29:18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

Sincerely and seriously:
Hethatreadethit

 

[javajo]

Many people feel the sameway and yet came to a diffrent path. Some people spend all their lives seeking. I do not beilive I adimently do not believe yet I will not stop seeking searching asking learning. I do this with an open mind and heart. Does that count for anything? Isn't truth subjective?

You adamantly do not believe yet you do so with an open mind? That does not really count for much imo. And truth is truth. A statement is true or not true. For example, Jesus died on the cross is true or not true, so either Christianity or Islam is false.

Believing one has "found the truth" seems to me like a pretty good recipe for halting growth.

Growth is good, but eventually one must reach conclusions from their research. As in the above, Jesus died on the cross or he didn't.

question, what makes you think others are not honestly and fervently seeking the truth?[

I did not say they weren't. But if they do, they will find it.

do you mean that you pray others will honestly and fervently seek out "the truth" you found for yourself?

Just the truth.

 

[Iti oj]

You adamantly do not believe yet you do so with an open mind? That does not really count for much imo. And truth is truth. A statement is true or not true. For example, Jesus died on the cross is true or not true, so either Christianity or Islam is false.
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I meant it wasn't a whimsical or flimsy choice.

maybe Jesus did die on the cross but he was not son of god/god.... then any host of other religious can be true.

 

[Iti oj]

Religion is serious business. Not to scare anyone, but rather just to make you think about this:

1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord

This is concerning the Lord's supper and should only be done among the true believers, and who are they? Disregard for this sacred event can bring spiritual dillusion,and eventually destruction as the course of the world continues towards disaster.

sa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

To the obedient ones, the word of God brings joy and gladness, but to those who twist and distort and turn the ear from it, it brings spiritual drunkedness and disaster:

Deu 29:18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:

Sincerely and seriously:
Hethatreadethit

fun with scriptures!!!

Are some sins worse then others? Ie breaking a commandment vs breaking scripture doctrine?

 

[Hethatreadethit]

fun with scriptures!!!

Are some sins worse then others? Ie breaking a commandment vs breaking scripture doctrine?

Those scriptures are just a few important ones that G-d has revealed to me to make manifest that the abomination of desolation occured early in the life of the Christian church. The apostles warned it was going to happen and not as the world would guess. The writter of Timothy understood the prophecy in Daniel:

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

You see that this act of removing the ear from the truth is what brings about the desolation. The delusion that followed has put the whole world in a crash course with disaster.
The cup of Christ was put into the hand of "Babylon" and all those who have drunk from it are caught up in its delusion. The primary part of the delusion were doctrines that allow for sin to flourish. Because of these doctrines, there was a cutting off of G-ds goodness.

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Do you think that all those who are caught up in the delusion of Babylon knew what they were doing?
The gospel message in its pure form is of great power and was given to man as a blessing from G-d to bring about the fulfillment of the vow made to Abraham.

Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

And this seed is Jesus to whom the fulness of the blessing would come that the gathering of all those called would be in Him. Those called would be like faithful Abraham.

Sincerely:
Hethatreadethit

 

[bigbadgirl]

The One God who's responsible for the initiation of ALL the world's great religions!

God is All-loving, All-knowing, and has many other positive attributes as well.

You can learn more about him by reading various scriptures; for example, you can see the Baha'i scriptures at these sites:

http://www.bahai-library.org (click "Writings")

http://www.reference.bahai.org (this site is multilingual)

Best regards, and good hunting!

Bruce

All the worlds "Great Religions"? What are the worlds great religions? Who chooses what are great religions? The Bahai faith?

 

[BruceDLimber]

All the worlds [sic] "Great Religions"? What are the worlds [sic] great religions? Who chooses what are great religions? The Bahai faith?

No: history makes clear which they are.

We include the following on the list for sure (in no particular order):

Buddhism, the Babi Faith, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Judaism, the Baha'i Faith, Christianity, and Islam.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Photonic]

Anthropic principle trumps pascals wager. <3

 

[McBell]

Can someone please explain what a "wrong faith" is?

 

[bigbadgirl]

History is the discovery, collection, organization, and presentation of information about past events. History chooses nothing, it simply attempts to record it. Buddhism is a Godless religion. Hinduism is a multi deity religion. Zoroastrianism is a twin-God religion. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all spring from the same source. The differences between these faiths are large and diverse. The Baha'i faith and Mormonism began about the same time, yet Mormonism has roughly twice the adherents as Baha'i. Numbers do not make greatness. I believe in the nature of God, and the God of nature as one and the same. The God of nature is the oldest deity recorded by history. There is no right or wrong faith. There is only belief and belief is a solitary endeaver.