Father Heathen
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If evolution was proven false I would run into a brick wall and turn into an accordion.
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Ben Stein is smart? How is that possible?
He always seemed quite intelligent to me before that abortion of a documentary. Then again, a lot of people seem to lose their crap as they get older.
If you saw a mountain that looked like an Indian wearing an iPod, would you argue that it was designed as well?
Since rocks are not capable of descent with modification, isn't your example just a little facetious?
Really? Is that your answer to how a rock with "John - 1785" written on it can occur naturally?
If that is where the evidence logically leads, then why does almost everyone who studies the evidence come the exact opposite conclusion?
He always seemed quite intelligent to me before that abortion of a documentary. Then again, a lot of people seem to lose their crap as they get older.
I think it depends on the subject they're talking about, too. There are plenty of people who are brilliant in their own area of expertise, but become ridiculous when they start expounding on a subject they know nothing about.
Just look at Dawkins when he starts up on religion: he argues like a teenager. He has to pick on the most obviously demented fundamentalists to make his case look strong enough to stand up, and as soon as you put him opposite someone reasonable, he quickly descends into flustered attacks on a position they aren't supporting.
I don't know if Ben Stein has an area of expertise, of course.
They didn't "study the evidence", flat earth believers trusted in mythical creation stories rather than scientific observation.Let's see now. A few hundred years ago, almost everyone who studied the evidence concluded the earth was flat..
No, it is my attempt to illustrate how misguided your example is. A rock with "John - 1785" would not occur naturally because rocks are not alive.Really? Is that your answer to how a rock with "John - 1785" written on it can occur naturally?
Let's see now. A few hundred years ago, almost everyone who studied the evidence concluded the earth was flat..that bleeding a person improved their health..., etc.
No, it is my attempt to illustrate how misguided your example is. A rock with "John - 1785" would not occur naturally because rocks are not alive.
DNA is not the first product. Its the natural successor to a less complex molecule. One needs to mine iron before one gets all the way to steel, and then, a Maserati.So a rock with a few letters and number could not occur naturally, but DNA could?
A teaspoon of DNA would be more than sufficient to store all the information for building every person alive today. The Bible speaks about this; "Your eyes say even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing, as regards the days when they were formed and there was not yet one among them." (Psalm 139:16) These poetic words are true in a very literal sense. The DNA "book" contains all the instructions needed to create a human embryo. And evolutionists would have us believe this came about unaided by any intelligent Maker.
DNA is not the first product. Its the natural successor to a less complex molecule. One needs to mine iron before one gets all the way to steel, and then, a Maserati.
Right. And who is doing the mining? And building the Marserati?
Could you point me to any videos of Dawkins getting flustered opposite someone reasonable?
Right. And who is doing the mining? And building the Marserati?
Since DNA is subjected to chemical processes which the rock is not, then yes, it could.So a rock with a few letters and number could not occur naturally, but DNA could?
I used the example in another post of a rock with JOHN-1785 carved into it. No reasonable person would argue that message happened naturally.
Speaking of evolution in terms of natural law and inevitability raises many questions. What natural law? Why was it inevitable?
What proof is there for such a statement?
Even a rock with a short message on it bespeaks an intelligent maker. How much more so the overwhelmingly complex living cell. (Hebrews 3:4)
Antony Flew, an atheist for 50 years, after studying DNA, began to express belief that intelligence must have created life. Why? He went where the evidence led him.The evidence leads to the logical conclusion that a superhuman intelligent Person,"God created the heavens and the earth."
(Genesis 1:1)
Evolution is continually refuted, thats a part of the scientific process . If it were ZNOT so, then I wouldnt have believed it in the first place .its only religions that profess you must remain ignorant and follow blindly. Example: Did the men who Jesus used to preach His gospel - men who were, "uneducated and untrained men" - seek to change those characteristics, or teach others to become educated and trained? (Acts 4:13) Why did Jesus say, "I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." (Mark 10:15)I have participated in a number of threads on creation and evolution. One thing that I have noticed is that antievolutionists, such as rusra02, have argued that there is no evidence for evolution. So I want to ask rusra02 something: suppose evolution was completely refuted. Suppose it was totally refuted and you got what you wanted. Suppose that everyone on this forum, including myself, finally was forced to conclude that evolution was not true due to the sheer weight of scientific evidence against it. Let's suppose that the case was so overwhelming as to make it impossible to deny that evolution was false.
Then what? What would Rusra02 like to see happen? Seriously. Even if it would never likely happen, what would Rusra02 like or hope would happen? Convert to creationism? Become Christians? At least declare agnosticism? Suppose that all of this talk about "propaganda" and other such conspiracy-talk was completely true, the facts all true and verifiable, and proven true to the extent that it was impossible to deny. What then?
Nobody is in the case of RNA. Things also happen naturally without any necessity of someone doing it.