Why the Law was set aside !

[dan p]

Hi to all and most believers do not know why the Law of Moses was set aside .

In Heb 8:7 explains why the Old Covenant was set aside ;

#1 , a New Covenant is going to be inacted and inplemented when Christ comes back and saves Israel at the end of the Tribulation ,

#2 , No more circumcision for today

#3 , no more animal sacrifices for today

#4 , no more Temple , today

#5 , But the main reason is to pay for all the sins that Isarel had committed UNDER the Law of Moses .

Heb 9:15 , " that by means of death , for the REDEMPTION of the TRANSGRESSIONS that were under the FIRST TESTAMENT ( or Old Covenant ) .

dan p

 

[gnostic]

#4 , no more Temple , today

The (Herod's) temple continued to exist after Jesus' death even if it exist for only another generation. And Solomon's temple was long gone.

Jesus had nothing to do with its destruction.

By the time any of the gospels was written, Jews were already in rebellion against Rome. So it was really no surprise that the temple would be destroyed when Jerusalem had fallen.

 

[Ronald]

Hi to all and most believers do not know why the Law of Moses was set aside .

In Heb 8:7 explains why the Old Covenant was set aside ;

#1 , a New Covenant is going to be inacted and inplemented when Christ comes back and saves Israel at the end of the Tribulation ,

#2 , No more circumcision for today

#3 , no more animal sacrifices for today

#4 , no more Temple , today

#5 , But the main reason is to pay for all the sins that Isarel had committed UNDER the Law of Moses .

Heb 9:15 , " that by means of death , for the REDEMPTION of the TRANSGRESSIONS that were under the FIRST TESTAMENT ( or Old Covenant ) .

dan p

For shame a christian reading a Jews letter and thinking it applied to him.

Why do you say "Know the Lord." doesn't everyone know the Lord?

Last time I checked the world is as it was, many don't know the Lord, the law will be in effect until the second comming. If you love him keep the commandments/law!!!!

 

[Zardoz]

Not according to Yeshua...

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished

 

[dan p]

Not according to Yeshua...

Hi , and Heb 9:15 is very clear and all can see that it was replaced by the New Covenant in Heb 8:7-10 and verse 11 speaks to the future Millennium . dan p

 

[Hawkins]

Hi , and Heb 9:15 is very clear and all can see that it was replaced by the New Covenant in Heb 8:7-10 and verse 11 speaks to the future Millennium . dan p

Hi dan p,

An "old covenant' makes a difference from Mosaic Law. An old covenant requires the Jews to obey Mosaic Law. And Mosaic Law is always in effect for the Jews to obey if they choose to. But this is almost meaningless as the (nowaday) Jews can hardly keep the Law in full. They need Jesus Christ.

 

[Zardoz]

Hi , and Heb 9:15 is very clear and all can see that it was replaced by the New Covenant in Heb 8:7-10 and verse 11 speaks to the future Millennium . dan p

I go by Yeshua, and his words that I quoted are quite clear. The other texts you reference are not scripture for me.

...But this is almost meaningless as the (nowaday) Jews can hardly keep the Law in full.

We keep it just fine, thanks. The lack of a Temple is not a problem for us, but... for you.

They need Jesus Christ.

We need Yeshua, yes, but not in the way you probably think.

 

[Hawkins]

We keep it just fine, thanks. The lack of a Temple is not a problem for us, but... for you. We need Yeshua, yes, but not in the way you probably think.

That depends on whether you follow God's standard or your own standard. Just curious, have you ever skipped any Sabbath in your life?

 

[Zardoz]

That depends on whether you follow God's standard or your own standard. Just curious, have you ever skipped any Sabbath in your life?

I follow the Jewish standard. No I've not 'skipped' Shabbat ever, but have sometimes not benefited from it to the fullest extent.

 

[Ronald]

Didn't Jesus reiterate, "keep the commandments."?

But you say _________________________.

One day a week, ressurection Sunday, keep every day holy, ect., ect..

Seems a Christian has only this one he can't keep, the fourth. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
Which day did Yeshua/Jesus keep?
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Hi , and Heb 9:15 is very clear and all can see that it was replaced by the New Covenant in Heb 8:7-10 and verse 11 speaks to the future Millennium . dan p

So, Paul trumps Jesus?

 

[dan p]

HI , and in His earhtly ministry , Jesus , had his disciples , the 12 , under the Law

And after His resurrection He had Paul and those under him , all under Grace , dan p

 

[Ronald]

HI , and in His earhtly ministry , Jesus , had his disciples , the 12 , under the Law

And after His resurrection He had Paul and those under him , all under Grace , dan p

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Sin Transgression of the law

 

[Zardoz]

HI , and in His earhtly ministry , Jesus , had his disciples , the 12 , under the Law

And after His resurrection He had Paul and those under him , all under Grace , dan p

So paul replaces all, eh? Let me steer you back to my quote...

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished

Has everything been accomplished? Nothing left undone? Swords have been beaten into plowshares, etc?

 

[dan p]

I go by Yeshua, and his words that I quoted are quite clear. The other texts you reference are not scripture for me.

We keep it just fine, thanks. The lack of a Temple is not a problem for us, but... for you. We need Yeshua, yes, but not in the way you probably think.

Hi Zardoz , and why no sacrifices ?

That should be a no-no , right ? dan p

 

[Flankerl]

*sighs*

The temple is the only place were sacrifices are allowed. But there is no temple.


Now you need some simple logic.

 

[dan p]

*sighs*

The temple is the only place were sacrifices are allowed. But there is no temple.


Now you need some simple logic.

Hi Flankerl , then , Israel , truly has been set aside , as written in Rom 11:25 , until the fulness of the Gentiles come in , dan p

 

[Ronald]

Hi Flankerl , then , Israel , truly has been set aside , as written in Rom 11:25 , until the fulness of the Gentiles come in , dan p

"All Israel is saved" Can we say the same for those who practice anomia/lawlessness?
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Remember the new covenant is made with Judah and Israel.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Yeshua ha Mashiach.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Yeshua.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Outside the gates----------OH MY!

 

[Zardoz]

Hi Zardoz , and why no sacrifices ?

That should be a no-no , right ? dan p

You do not understand. We do not need the sacrifices, for ourselves. They were.. for you.
If the Nations of the world truly understood this, instead of prohibiting a new temple, they would demand it.

We Jews have an eternal Covenant and an eternal Torah, but the sacrifices were always conditional, and therefore not eternal.

I see you twice now refuse to acknowledge Yeshua's teachings on this eternal Torah. Why?

 

[dan p]

You do not understand. We do not need the sacrifices, for ourselves. They were.. for you.
If the Nations of the world truly understood this, instead of prohibiting a new temple, they would demand it.

We Jews have an eternal Covenant and an eternal Torah, but the sacrifices were always conditional, and therefore not eternal.

I see you twice now refuse to acknowledge Yeshua's teachings on this eternal Torah. Why?

Hi Zardoz , and I believe that there will sacrifices during thye Millennium or the 1000 reign of Christ or why have Priests during the Millennial Kingdom as Rev 1:6 points out .

These sacrifices are in Ezek 40:39 ; 43:24 ; 43:7 which are burnt offering , and there will be a sin offering , trespass offering , peace offering , meal offeri9ng ; and drink offering , dan p