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God did not create the Universe
- Thread starter Skeptisch
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God makes everything appear at every instant. A pattern is laid out and then everything appears. The geometry of planetary movements measure out the power. Resonance being degraded slightly so that it doesn't runaway.
The Bible states that every thing began and progressed through several time periods.
Science shows this is true. In fact science expresses time periods from the Big bang that have a similar description as scriptures.
But what does science say about matter, the atom, and the Bible assertion that a geometry or pattern is present before anything appears, occuring before what is seen. This says to me that there is a possibility to unravel matter and have it reappear somewhere else.
Science is only as good as the morals of those using those findings for gain. It seems the more that is known the worse state the earth is getting into.
The same could be said for Religion of course but the real problem is the human.
The Bible states that every thing began and progressed through several time periods.
Science shows this is true. In fact science expresses time periods from the Big bang that have a similar description as scriptures.
But what does science say about matter, the atom, and the Bible assertion that a geometry or pattern is present before anything appears, occuring before what is seen. This says to me that there is a possibility to unravel matter and have it reappear somewhere else.
Science is only as good as the morals of those using those findings for gain. It seems the more that is known the worse state the earth is getting into.
The same could be said for Religion of course but the real problem is the human.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
That is a very busy God... lot's of micromanaging.
wa:do
wa:do
There is a dimensional aspect and this reality we are in isn't the end it is only known to us by the natural senses.
it is easy to say man creates his Gods because observation of the way people behave would indicate this.
Usually one person or perhaps only a few would be opened up to God. This would be for the protection or even survival of their group or tribe. The Hebrews and Israelite would usually reject the true God, as spoken through the Prophets, regarding them as stiff necked rebellious people, whose thoughts were to do evil continually. Murdering, thieving , taking another mans wife and actually all the behaviors in the modern world. This isn't sustainable. A moral decline with more knowledge will not work.
The study of the atom and light is more relevant to the existence of God from what I understand.
Psalm 104:2 who cover yourself with light as a garment,
who stretch out the heavens like a curtain,
This could be poetry, but if a more terse translation or interpretation is used then there are many descriptive passages that could be saying a lot more than first understood.
The Bible also shows a natural progression and indicates the end result.
The power and knowledge of God is a little bit like looking into the night sky and trying to imagine the size and limit of the universe. Something going on for ever with no end.
By Gods will every thing exists.
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
If this universe is the only one that exists in all of reality and time then we are staggeringly lucky that such a thing happened not forgetting with the fact that there is so much coincidence (anthropological constants) and hidden complexity (fractal infinity and simplexity) in the universe...with more yet to unravel.
To remain completely certain that there is no intelligent creator or mind of god and that eveything is basically a great cosmic accident is not a position that is even logically defendable.
However if there are an infinite number of universes...then the situation is different....perhaps.
To remain completely certain that there is no intelligent creator or mind of god and that eveything is basically a great cosmic accident is not a position that is even logically defendable.
However if there are an infinite number of universes...then the situation is different....perhaps.
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Gloone
Well-Known Member
I agree. A lot of it has to do with denial or trying to refute the possibility of centric beliefs. It is like saying the universe or earth wasn't meant to support life when it actually does. So if that is the case then research and studies should just be thrown out because they serve no real purpose besides their own which in a way is also centric and doesn't rely on explanations for probables only improbables. I think people forget about the complexity things with their own delusional thought process of uncertainties. If everything is an uncertain hypothetical then there are no constants (like gravity on earth - just look at polar opposites with magnets and the forces between them- how they attract and repel), no variables, no point in having a lot of subjects like math, science and so on.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
But does God take an active role or did God just set things in motion such that the universe runs itself?
wa:do
God set everything in motion and made a starting point by setting in place all the known and not yet discovered laws involved. God is in the appearance of all those laws.
All the laws are held in place to work as we see them working.
God holds or suspends everything, and everything is manifested instantly, continuously. This has technological significance.
This is awkward to grasp. To have the mind opened to understanding this beyond an intellectual idea is life changing. A completely new perspective is realized.
After an experience of God it was realized that God is a quiet observer who sees everyone on the inside. Just a little beyond own mind where a person is unable to see.
God is a God close at hand and not far off.
The God and creator of the whole universe takes an interest in every person. But God knows everyone by how they are unable to measure up which is sin. Sin means miss the mark or unable to measure up. Sin needs to be taken out of the way before a person can know god so they can then measure up and not miss the mark.
Gods request is to know him. There is a barrier in the mind, the veil in the temple, that God has used to remove man from his sight, that is seeing God. When Jesus died the veil in the temple building was torn from corner to corner.
What is this barrier, it is the rebellious nature that uses own mind power to produce complimentary sensations in another person. A projection and magnification of personality is read and reacted to. Everyone is bonded in a human way. This is from a biological and earth influenced mortal body.
God is an energizing spirit and man's mental power de-energizes and the oxidizing and predatory aspects of the planet affect him in every cell.
How does one reach back and know God? How does one get passed the barrier? The correct attitude and spirit must be in the person and it takes initiation. An on going experience gives a hope that immortality is indeed a possibility.
A person must be initiated.
When the immediacy of God is known then of course there is a revelation of Him as the creator of all that is seen and all that is unseen.
God is a God close at hand and not far off.
The God and creator of the whole universe takes an interest in every person. But God knows everyone by how they are unable to measure up which is sin. Sin means miss the mark or unable to measure up. Sin needs to be taken out of the way before a person can know god so they can then measure up and not miss the mark.
Gods request is to know him. There is a barrier in the mind, the veil in the temple, that God has used to remove man from his sight, that is seeing God. When Jesus died the veil in the temple building was torn from corner to corner.
What is this barrier, it is the rebellious nature that uses own mind power to produce complimentary sensations in another person. A projection and magnification of personality is read and reacted to. Everyone is bonded in a human way. This is from a biological and earth influenced mortal body.
God is an energizing spirit and man's mental power de-energizes and the oxidizing and predatory aspects of the planet affect him in every cell.
How does one reach back and know God? How does one get passed the barrier? The correct attitude and spirit must be in the person and it takes initiation. An on going experience gives a hope that immortality is indeed a possibility.
A person must be initiated.
When the immediacy of God is known then of course there is a revelation of Him as the creator of all that is seen and all that is unseen.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
It's not that awkward.... it's essentially pantheism.
wa:do
There is a personal god. It is a bit like jumping from human genetics to God's own family lineage.
are you YEC????
I do not understand.
There are many different spiritual paths. Drugs are taken and they stimulate people in a similar way. People who peddle them initiate young people into their culture to have similar experience.
These drugs do not make a person perfect and acceptable to God. They do the opposite because they magnify and hold personality defects that stop a person maturing properly.
Alcohol can make people aggressive and uninhibited.
The correct Spirit can bring a person to God. But a person needs to start with the best attitude possible.
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
Indeed...
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
But if God has a family lineage then there must be more than one god yes?
Or is it like Zeus and his demi-god children?
wa:do