Ethics and the ToS.

[Mr. Cage]

Im curious if any affiliated members can elaborate on how the Temple views Ethics and their importance?

 

[blackout]

It would be redundant to discuss the ToS in particular, no?

Please stick to general setian questions in the general setian forum.

(or contact the ToS directly)

*bangs her head against imaginary forum wall*

(just knows her point will be entirely lost....)

 

[Mr. Cage]

It would be redundant to discuss the ToS in particular, no?

Please stick to general setian questions in the general setian forum.

(or contact the ToS directly)

*bangs her head against imaginary forum wall*

(just knows her point will be entirely lost....)

Are you affiliated with the Temple?

 

[Mr. Cage]

To avoid any friction, let me address this question to the Setian. How does the Setian view the importance of Ethics from a philosophical stance? Does the independant Setian view Ethics as an important practice in order to transcend?

 

[blackout]

Are you affiliated with the Temple?

Did you not understand my posts in the other thread exchange we had?

 

[Mr. Cage]

Did you not understand my posts in the other thread exchange we had?

Yes i understood your post maddam. But what threw me off was that i addressed this post to affiliated temple members. Granted i dont mind one bit if non affiliated comment, but if so please keep it on topic due to respect for the addressed party.

However i since changed my direction to the Setian. Either way. On topic is the aim.

 

[blackout]

But this is a GENERAL Setian forum,
is it not?

If you are going to specify beyond the general bounds of this forum,
perhaps it is a sign that we DO in fact need another DIR.
(as the point of a DIR is "further specification of philosophy")

This is a General Setian forum.
Not a specified ToS Philosophy forum.

See the difference?

 

[Mr. Cage]

To avoid any friction, let me address this question to the Setian. How does the Setian view the importance of Ethics from a philosophical stance? Does the independant Setian view Ethics as an important practice in order to transcend?

 

[Daelach]

My answer: no. At least not beyond an utilitarian sense of ethics. If I keep cheating everyone, I will not find help when I need it simply because someone who cheats everybody will not have any friends in the long run. What goes around, comes around. In this regard, I strongly recommend taking a look at mathematical games theory, like the prisoner's dilemma etc.

The point is that I object ethics of conviction since I consider it as childish. It evolves from the false conclusion that "good" means must lead to a good end. Reality disproves this view; I recommend reading Macchiavelli.

The point is that as long as the "good" ones are hindered by their own ethics, the "bad" ones will always have the advantage of not being affected by such a constrained. That is why it is only in the cinema that the good one wins. In the choice between being a "good" loser or a "bad" winner, I will always choose the latter.

So I avow consequentialism - the ends justify the means.

And another point, the LHP is precisely about overcoming the social norms and rules, so sticking to what people consider as "good" is anathema to real LHP. As long as one sticks to those norms, one will never come to include also the heterogeneous oart of his culture, thus never arriving at the stage of completeness.

Being a true LHP adept (means: not just playing around with some pseudo-dark gobbledeegook) has always involved doing also things society considers as taboos.

 

[HeimiricIX]

Your answer is in the "What is Setianism?" Sticky, you shall do well in reading first before posting mate.

 

[Mr. Cage]

Your answer is in the "What is Setianism?" Sticky, you shall do well in reading first before posting mate.

Very good. I read it. But im looking for independant ethic importance. I guess i was just waiting for you to cut and paste us another reply other than your own proffesional view. Maybe something from uncle setnakts or seven faces?

Does everything in the "what is Setianism" thread exactly define your brand? Are you adopting everyone elses belief structures or are you in creations of your own?

@Daelach. Thank you for taking the time to explain your views on ethics. Ive noted this and in the future may ask your permission to relay this in a pulication.

 

[HeimiricIX]

I'm sorry but that is not what you asked.

Copy-paste magic once again:

"Im curious if any affiliated members can elaborate on how the Temple views Ethics and their importance?"

If you would have asked what each affiliated person felt personally regarding ethics then it would have been different.

Semantics and internet, they never seem to get along, do they?

Regards,
Your kind troll.

 

[Mr. Cage]

I'm sorry but that is not what you asked.

Copy-paste magic once again:

"Im curious if any affiliated members can elaborate on how the Temple views Ethics and their importance?"

If you would have asked what each affiliated person felt personally regarding ethics then it would have been different.

Semantics and internet, they never seem to get along, do they?

Regards,
Your kind troll.

Perhaps in the future you will take the time necessary to review the entire thread prior to attempting to remedy it.

Here is the following post:

To avoid any friction, let me address this question to the Setian. How does the independant Setian view the importance of Ethics from a philosophical stance? Does the Setian view Ethics as an important practice in order to transcend?

 

[HeimiricIX]

"To avoid any friction, let me address this question to the Setian. How does the Setian view the importance of Ethics from a philosophical stance? Does the Setian view Ethics as an important practice in order to transcend?"

Ok, you are right. I'm sorry.

"But what threw me off was that i addressed this post to affiliated temple members."

Oh wait.

"To avoid any friction, let me address this question to the Setian. How does the Setian view the importance of Ethics from a philosophical stance? Does the Setian view Ethics as an important practice in order to transcend?"

Again, uhm ok...

Hey Mr. Daelach, are you affiliated with the Temple?

"Granted i dont mind one bit if non affiliated comment, but if so please keep it on topic due to respect for the addressed party."

Oh ok. So no matter, right.

"But im looking for independant ethic importance."

Oh right, if you only have started there the first time...

Well, who am I to tell.

Regards.
Youd kind Troll.

 

[Mr. Cage]

"To avoid any friction, let me address this question to the Setian. How does the Setian view the importance of Ethics from a philosophical stance? Does the Setian view Ethics as an important practice in order to transcend?"

Ok, you are right. I'm sorry.

"But what threw me off was that i addressed this post to affiliated temple members."

Oh wait.

"To avoid any friction, let me address this question to the Setian. How does the Setian view the importance of Ethics from a philosophical stance? Does the Setian view Ethics as an important practice in order to transcend?"

Again, uhm ok...

Hey Mr. Daelach, are you affiliated with the Temple?

"Granted i dont mind one bit if non affiliated comment, but if so please keep it on topic due to respect for the addressed party."

Oh ok. So no matter, right.

"But im looking for independant ethic importance."

Oh right, if you only have started there the first time...

Well, who am I to tell.

Regards.
Youd kind Troll.

Again...if you took the minute or two to review the thread you would not have wasted your time. Thank you in advance for your time and coopetation concerning this matter.

Now, topic? Do you have something to add? How do you view ethics in accordance to your path?

Sincerely, John Cage.

You may contact me directly at. [email protected]

 

[Daelach]

Hey Mr. Daelach, are you affiliated with the Temple?

No, I never have been, and it is extremely improbable that I ever will. I only posted my answer AFTER Mr. Cage broadened the original question to Setians in general, not only to TOS members.

 

[Mr. Cage]

My answer: no. At least not beyond an utilitarian sense of ethics. If I keep cheating everyone, I will not find help when I need it simply because someone who cheats everybody will not have any friends in the long run. What goes around, comes around. In this regard, I strongly recommend taking a look at mathematical games theory, like the prisoner's dilemma etc.

The point is that I object ethics of conviction since I consider it as childish. It evolves from the false conclusion that "good" means must lead to a good end. Reality disproves this view; I recommend reading Macchiavelli.

Ahhh. Yes "The Prince" was excelent work. I just mention Macchiavelli earlier. Your thoughts on his progress? Heres the quote.

Let me point out an interesting point here. Im sure you'll never see it seperate again.

When we think of Organized religion we think of " control". The church these days lack this control. Thanks to Macchiavelli seperating church from state. But did he?

I want you to walk into a church and look around. Then soon after walk into a court room. You will notice the set up is exactly the same in the hopes to impose control. Where there was a Priest, theres now a judge in robes. To his left theres not a decon but instead a clerk magistrate. Off to the right there no seating for the quire but rather a jury. They got rid of the organ and replaced it with a stenographer. Bench seating for the controled hasnt changed however. The sin has been replaced with law. Ect...ect...

The manifestation regenerated in disguise, no?

My answerSo I avow consequentialism -
And another point, the LHP is precisely about overcoming the social norms and rules, so sticking to what people consider as "good" is anathema to real LHP. As long as one sticks to those norms, one will never come to include also the heterogeneous oart of his culture, thus never arriving at the stage of completeness.

Being a true LHP adept (means: not just playing around with some pseudo-dark gobbledeegook) has always involved doing also things society considers as taboos.

Yes. I find it amusing that there are some, usually the younger croud, that believes following the LHP is justified by wearing only black and Initiation is some secret hand shake. lol.

The gobblygook is contagious aswell, It has to be remedied from the first sign. Otherwise it festers. It must be cut down in all manifestations. Truth is knowing through noetic inspiration. The gobblygook is one of our
finest opponents. Dont be fooled by weaker crouds such as Christianity. Trying to stratify these truths can test our mettle. Unlearning them is another story.

Can you define some examples of your gobblygook? Are you talking about infernal mandates and elaborate and dramatic ritual settings?