Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Curious? What kind of reason is that?
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What kind of god would punish people simply for not believing?
- Thread starter Rainbow Mage
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6Michael6Bennett6
At The Left Hand Ov God
A cruel and unusual one...some may argue that he punishes them because they didn't accept the all-mighty -- my response would be why would god put so many people in a position that MOST would go to hell? Even in his "holy word" he says that many more will not enter heaven...wtf? Why create us if you do not give us all the opportunity to KNOW that you are the almighty one? Does he get some sick pleasure from watching souls end in an eternity of pain and misery? Sounds like a douche bag to me...
Tathagata
Freethinker
Because there is no excuse for disbelief. Everything around is proof of his creation, so your disbelief is more like a rejection of your father rather than disbelief based on no evidence.
From a Christian perspective, the Christian paradigm is presumed to be true and blatantly obvious, so disbelief is seen as hatred of God.
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From a Christian perspective, the Christian paradigm is presumed to be true and blatantly obvious, so disbelief is seen as hatred of God.
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Tathagata
Freethinker
You're a Satanist, so God sending you to Hell would be more of a reward rather than cruel punishment.
6Michael6Bennett6
At The Left Hand Ov God
Reward? I don't believe in hell though...
Skwim
Veteran Member
A petty one.
A very evil God who cannot get his own way. Yes this is the God of the literal Bible; it is not the God of God's spiritual Word.
Skwim
Veteran Member
So how do you know this "God of God's spiritual Word" is not like the "God of the literal Bible" in this respect?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
It's not about just believing, the devil believes. It's about being changed by your belief.
Blackdog22
Well-Known Member
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
John 3:18
"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
All of those directly contradict what you just said, and there are a lot more where that came from. The fact is if you follow the Bible disbelief earns you a ticket to eternal damnation. If you don't believe this. You don't follow the Bible.
The question is why? Why is believing something exists so important? I didn't know my Grandfather existed until I met him in 1991. I was 6 and didn't believe he existed because I had never met him. So my mom took me to see him and he greeted me with open arms! Gave me milk, cookies. We watched movies. His initial thought wasn't to torture or spill his wrath on me for not believing he had existed. He didn't care. He knew he existed. The difference I was able to visit my grandfather, had my grandfather died and went to heaven and I never really believed I had a grandfather would that give him rights to torture me?
Why does God need us to know he exists? He knows he exists right? Does the thought of torture enter your mind when you think that someone in Pakistan doesn't know, or believe you exist? God made you in his image so why wouldn't?
Only a religion that was scared and had something to lose would place such a requirement on itself.
Skwim
Veteran Member
It is indeed a strangely constructed deity, seemingly cobbled together from disparate ideas with no thought as to how they interacted.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
It's like telling your dad that your not his son.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Apparently he's insecure and has has a fragile ego.
Blackdog22
Well-Known Member
Not at all. If I were to replace God with my Dad. Then I could say my Dad was never around. He could come visit me at any point in time, but he never cared to. Mom told me he lives somewhere out of the Country and I could go to him if I wanted to, but he just couldn't be bothered to come me. Have you ever seen an abandoned child? They refuse there fathers even upon seeing them once they reach appropriate age to understand what had been done to them.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Do absent, deadbeat fathers deserve the title of "dad"?
And if someone to dose their own child with gasoline and light them on fire for some petty offense, we would consider them hateful, abusive psychopaths.
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Twig pentagram
High Priest
Only an evil god/s would send you to hell for not believing in it when clear proof was never shown. Only an evil god/s would create a place like hell. I hope that those type of god/s are'nt real. If there is a holy god/s I hope it's nothing like the god of christianity or islam.
Bobbyh
Infinite Nothingness
A god who is himself suffering as well.
If such an omnipresent god exists, that god would be omnipresent
So everything being of something would be a facet, creation, and reflection of this omnipresence labeled god.
Everything is a reflection of nothingness. Evolve that notion into a perceptive mind harboring self awareness and you get love and suffering.
That's all there is. So god or "everything" is itself composed of love and suffering. It's Nothings paradox that endures the very spatial patterns that our minds linguistically deconstruct as the fabric of reality.
If such an omnipresent god exists, that god would be omnipresent
So everything being of something would be a facet, creation, and reflection of this omnipresence labeled god.
Everything is a reflection of nothingness. Evolve that notion into a perceptive mind harboring self awareness and you get love and suffering.
That's all there is. So god or "everything" is itself composed of love and suffering. It's Nothings paradox that endures the very spatial patterns that our minds linguistically deconstruct as the fabric of reality.