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From 'born again' to agnostic

Luminous

non-existential luminary
So you believe in God and you believe in eternal punishment. And you are contending with me for believing the same. What logic
:facepalm: actually, i don't believe in eternal punishment. consequences can be eternal though, and you have only yourself to blame for those. the temporary punishment is God's way of cleansing you of anti-agnostic wrongs. If you confess your agnosticism, however, you are forgiven and free to believe what-ever you see fit...except anti-agnosticism because that would be contradictory of agnosticism. truth is what-ever i see fit. and my religious views are verily fit, in my believe. well in truth, im sure that anti-agnostic afterlife will feel like complete and eternal torture but that is only because we are so limited unlike God.
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
Doubters invert the metaphor and insist that they need faith as big as a mountain in order to move a mustard seed.


Our doubts are traitors and make us lose the good we oft might win by [making us*] fearing to attempt. -Shakespeare
ummmm what does shakespeare mean with that last line?
actually, you don't need faith to move a seed. and you don't need faith to move a mountain. oh, i think i know what he means now.
may I add:
Our dogma's are spys and make us lose the good we often might win by making us attempt wrongly.
*added to reduce conflict of semantics (unless he meant that we SHOULD fear to attempt and instead use faith in prayer)
 
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Wotan

Active Member
And what has that got to do with what i said?

Nothing. Welcome to a Danmac dialog. They are full of non sequiturs.

Like this: "Didn't Hamlet wear pantie hose?" Meaningless response. He does that a lot. Which is one reason he is so actively disliked.:(
 

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
Nothing. Welcome to a Danmac dialog. They are full of non sequiturs.

Like this: "Didn't Hamlet wear pantie hose?" Meaningless response. He does that a lot. Which is one reason he is so actively disliked.:(

I am well versed in the danmac dialogue.

I am however an optimist and live in hope that he may make sense one day.

-Q
 

Misty

Well-Known Member
I am well versed in the danmac dialogue.

I am however an optimist and live in hope that he may make sense one day.

-Q

I must admit I find danmac's posts hard to fathom, one minute he is calling me a hyporcrite, the next he is saying he doesn't have a problem with me!:facepalm:
 

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
He's like a Terry Pratchett novel

The sooner you realise he ain't going to make sense the the easier it'll be to read his posts.

-Q
 

Misty

Well-Known Member
He's like a Terry Pratchett novel

The sooner you realise he ain't going to make sense the the easier it'll be to read his posts.

-Q

Now that isn't being fair to Terry Pratchett who actually suffers from dementia, he makes more sense!
 

Danmac

Well-Known Member
:facepalm: actually, i don't believe in eternal punishment. consequences can be eternal though,
So are the eternal consequences good then?

and you have only yourself to blame for those. the temporary punishment is God's way of cleansing you of anti-agnostic wrongs.
Any evidence to back up your statement?

If you confess your agnosticism, however, you are forgiven and free to believe what-ever you see fit...except anti-agnosticism because that would be contradictory of agnosticism.
Says who? Can you show me a paste?

truth is what-ever i see fit.
Well that would make you god then, because according to you truth is not what I see fit, only what you see fit.

and my religious views are verily fit, in my believe. well in truth, im sure that anti-agnostic afterlife will feel like complete and eternal torture but that is only because we are so limited unlike God.
What text are you quoting from? Your own?
 

Danmac

Well-Known Member
Nothing. Welcome to a Danmac dialog. They are full of non sequiturs.

Like this: "Didn't Hamlet wear pantie hose?" Meaningless response. He does that a lot. Which is one reason he is so actively disliked.:(
Now you wish to take debating to a personal level heh?


John 15:18 ¶ If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

Looks like I'm in good company.
 
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emiliano

Well-Known Member
I want to enlarge on a point already made. We non-believers do not fear death. We accept it. It is the religious who fear death and refuse to accept it. They make up this "soul" thingy and endow it with immortality so they can believe there is no death. And why do they do this? Because they are so FEARFUL that they may pass away. That indeed their existence after death will be exactly like it was before birth - nothing. This they FEAR. All the supernatural religions have this common element. Fear that death is the end of existence. Non-believers know it is. And we are much MORE attached to this life because we know it is ALL the life we will ever have. Each second becomes important because there are only a finite number of them.

For the believer this life is just a dress rehearsal for the much better and longer life to come. Which is why I often ask a true believer why he is still here. If this life is so nasty brutish and short why not jump to the much better life to come? As several do every day.

They most often equivocate, like Hamlet and mutter about "sin" and hell fire and such nonsense; and so become the cowards he noted.

Don’t forget that not everybody will get there, to that kingdom, you are here as you say in a dress rehearsal. what do you think we are rehearsing?
I think that it is to live a life in accordance with God, according to God’s laws and commandments, I am a Christian and I think that this life is very good, but is only a shadow for the one to come if I persevere till the end, I also believe that God has a purpose for my life, committing suicide is murder of one self and will have as a consequence not entering into the promise.
Christian has this very clear God calls and elects us, we don elect Him.
Are you blaming Christianity for the high rates of suicides?
I think that is more the case of too many people not having no hope. To live without hope.
Who is more like to want to end their life, Those that believe that this is all there is to life or those that have hope?
 

Misty

Well-Known Member
Don’t forget that not everybody will get there, to that kingdom, you are here as you say in a dress rehearsal. what do you think we are rehearsing?
I think that it is to live a life in accordance with God, according to God’s laws and commandments, I am a Christian and I think that this life is very good, but is only a shadow for the one to come if I persevere till the end, I also believe that God has a purpose for my life, committing suicide is murder of one self and will have as a consequence not entering into the promise.
Christian has this very clear God calls and elects us, we don elect Him.
Are you blaming Christianity for the high rates of suicides?
I think that is more the case of too many people not having no hope. To live without hope.
Who is more like to want to end their life, Those that believe that this is all there is to life or those that have hope?

You can't murder yourself!:facepalm: Who would want to be in heaven with a deity who can't accept that sometimes life is just too much for some people and they have opted out? I think the idea of heaven is totally over-rated especially if it is populated by fundamentalist Christians and their idea of God!
 

Danmac

Well-Known Member
You can't murder yourself!:facepalm: Who would want to be in heaven with a deity who can't accept that sometimes life is just too much for some people and they have opted out? I think the idea of heaven is totally over-rated especially if it is populated by fundamentalist Christians and their idea of God!

Misty your perception of God is not an accurate one. IMO
 
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