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Alejandro (LadyGaga/homosexuality, the catholic church)

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
I hope there will be a dvd with all her videos compiled on it. I'd buy it. :D Her videos are cool.

This one is my favorite:

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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I need this explained to me. :areyoucra

What's the video trying to say? And how does it link up with the song itself?

Although I'm tiring of the bump and grind in every video, I like Lady Gaga.

These sorts of artists aren't really known for their depth, so the video really isn't trying to say anything beyond cheap shock value and sex appeal.
 

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
These sorts of artists aren't really known for their depth, so the video really isn't trying to say anything beyond cheap shock value and sex appeal.

I thought that at first too. Then I looked into her a little more. That's when I saw how talented she was before she was famous and how different her music was.

I also cannot say she uses "sex appeal." Her looks are not "sexy." They are half naked, but it's not the same.

I see an extremely talented artist/musician, who can literally make her art whatever she wants it to be, and right now she wants fame so she has made her music "pop."

This is the same song I posted above. The intro is the same sound her old music had. She can take a song she writes and make it into whatever she wants. I think that ability is reinforced by her ability to make herself appear however she wants.

She is also not lip singing while dancing, which is wildly impressive.

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Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
This is an awesome video too...

but if you want a good comparison to see someone who is playing up the sex appeal here you go...

Candy for your eyes.

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She made my point for me. lol. Thank you Ciara.
 

blackout

Violet.
I also realized I think that her eating the rosary doen't look so symbolic of "taking in the holy," or whatever the director said. It would seem to me more like, "deep throating the holy." lol.

Well the 'nun' persona was a puppet on strings.
(as was the homosexual soldier sitting alone, on the same bed next to her)
She could have represented the psyche of his religious upbringing.
Lying... there next to him.... while he obediently plays the role of the catatonic soldier.
(don't ask, don't tell)
It looked more to me like she was "swallowing" the rosary whole.
"Swallowing" her religion whole,
conflicted, in despair ... suffering.... doing as she's "supposed to",
as she's been indoctrinated to.

I would say rather she "burns out" to a corpse
after forcing herself to swallow "her faith" whole,
in a show that she... her Life Blood.... herSelf...
has denied the totality and truth...
of her own Self,
to nothing.

So much Self denial will make you ill.
It will burn you out.
It will kill you.
You see it in the homosexual soldier puppet absently sitting on the bed next to her.

It did all of these things to me.
 
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blackout

Violet.
I think more than anything the video portrays conflict.

It is conflicted.

It is about people's conflicted sexual phyches.

"I have to be a MAN! A soldier! I MUST follow marching orders! *Stomp Stomp Stomp*! But I want to dance (express/live out/Be openly) 'gay' !"
"I'm supposed to be a proper holy woman, I'm supposed to commit to one (of the opposite sex in marriage)! or abstain!
I'm supposed to live by the sacraments. Deny my true sexuality... my own sensuality... my fetishes.
Puppet my indoctrination! But I cannot conform!" "I cannot COMMIT!"

I cannot con'form. But I cannot be me.

And so who is truly free in all of this turmoil?
This conflict of who, how and what you're "supposed" to be?
(the bondage)

Also her costume is one of very plain "nakedness".
Simple 'nude'. No glitter, no accentuation.
Nakedness really is you, as you are.... underneath everything.

Like Tigress said. Her nakedness, especially in this video,
is not "sexy". It's more like "uncovered" and exposed.
Even her paling makeup.
It says, "This is me underneath".
Symbolic.
(more of the psyche)

I'm sure I'll think of more later.
 
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blackout

Violet.
Also when the men are throwing the nun around,
the men might be symbolizing the church. The patriarchy.
Throwing us women around.
Or throwing the sexuality of the "faithful" around.
Bossing us around bodily.
Hurting us. Demeaning us.
It's a good physical representation
of what the roman catholic church actually does.

Of course men are hurt too.
The nun could represent the austirely "holy life" in general.

But the patriarchy itself
is undeniably a men's only club.

Almost forgot. At the end of that clip they actually do begin to fondle and rape her.

Oh yes. And there was the upsidown cross serving as the chastity belt in this scene.
Perhaps.... some upsidown version of Christ Love? perhaps?
 
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blackout

Violet.
If gaga represents the homosexual soldiers' inner nakedness....
their psyche...
The truth about who they are sexually,
underneath their uni'forms,
when the day's marching drills are over....
then really they are alone with their own bodage in their beds.
Gaga an outer representation of a violent INNER, sexual struggle.
(dramatic art device)

Like the symbolic nun,
gaga acts an an icon... a symbol of the soldiers' inner psyche.
So they torture themSelves alone in their own beds.
Binding up the truth of who they are.
Denying themselves sexuality and love.
So terribly tortured by it all.
Suffering.

(as every good catholic is supposed to do)
 
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blackout

Violet.
I wonder in the end,
(the final scene)
if the death of the nun,
marks the death of the soldier
(ie ... the man... the person)
or
if it marks the end of his bondage.
(the end of religion's grip on him)

Still. It can only mean one or the other,
as there is no in between.
(as endings go)
 
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dawny0826

Mother Heathen
I have to agree with unkown as to the interpretation. It makes the most sense to me, although UV, I give you frubals and a virtual hug for posting your interpretation.

Like others, I didn't care much for Ga Ga at first. This is not the genre of music that I typically listen to and I rarely listen to radio.

Over memorial day weekend, I went out to the mountains with my family to visit with more family. My cousin lives out in the country where it's quite dark at night. I was asked to drive my sister and niece to our hotel, which was quite a ways away and not knowing the roads well...I wanted some good music to center me. I dislike country music and that's all that was on the radio. So, my sister and I made a pitstop and I picked up a couple of CDs, The Fame Monster, being one of them.

I like quite a few of her songs. She has an amazing voice. I can't really say that about Madonna and many others. As others have said, so many pop stars sell music through sex and sex appeal. I do see more depth to
Ga Ga, though I wish she would ditch the Madonna-esque dance moves. She doesn't have to be a Madonna hybrid. She has an amazing voice. She's adorable and she's intelligent enough to sell music without borrowing from other artists.

I like her and I think she's cute.

My favorite song is Speechless. And it's nothing like the other pop/synth stuff. It's soulful and is more reflective of her said musical influences. I wish she'd do more like this, because, this, in my opinion, is moving and powerful.

Anyway, I'm rambling...

This is my favorite Ga Ga song. Sorry if this has been posted before. Caution - curse word.
 
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blackout

Violet.
Just to mention,
It doesn't seem that the point of the song
and the point of the video are the same.

It seems that the video concept
was kind of an independent thing.
It's a little difficult to reconcile the song
with the video as a result.

The article in the OP states that the video
was a work for the homosexual community,
and I think it's pretty clear.

I often wonder why certain videos are paired with certain songs.
They don't seem to be written/concieved on the same theme.

Maybe someone else wants to take a stab at it.

I'm way too tired.
 

blackout

Violet.
I should have posted the article I guess.
It keeps getting overlooked in the OP.


Lady Gaga Gets Serious In "Alejandro" Video


Posted Tue Jun 8, 2010 8:58am PDT by Lyndsey Parker in Video Ga Ga
</SPAN> Lady Gaga--who famously revealed to Barbara Walters in her 2009 "Most Interesting People" interview that she herself is bisexual, and whose hit "Poker Face" dealt with that topic--has long been an outspoken advocate for the LGBT community. She's appeared on the cover of Out magazine, marched for gay rights in D.C., received a GLAAD Award for Outstanding Musical Artist, and headlined/hosted a benefit concert for marriage equality, among other activist activities. When she picked up her VMA moonman at last year's MTV Video Music Awards, she even proudly held it aloft and declared, "This is for God and the gays!" But she has never addressed gay issues as directly or politically in a video as she does in her compelling new clip, "Alejandro."
In her outlandish past videos, Gaga has appeared in a futuristic wheelchair, pranced around a fiery bathhouse, and embarked on a "Thelma-&-Louise"-style road trip with Beyoncé, but in the just-premiered "Alejandro," she is uncharacteristically serious. The classy black-and-white clip, lensed by high-fashion photographer/Madonna collaborator Steven Klein, is a seven-minute "celebration of my love and appreciation for the gay community, my admiration of their bravery, their love for one another, and their courage in relationships," according to Gaga's June 1 interview with CNN's Larry King, during which she premiered a short teaser of the "Alejandro" video.
Of course, now that the full "Alejandro" is out, we can all see that it's not a blatant political PSA--as with all Gaga videos, it's a piece of performance art, open to interpretation. But the video's vaguely "Rhythm Nation"-reminiscent vibe, not to mention what Gaga described to King as its "homoerotic military theme," could be construed as a creative critique of the U.S. military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. And the video's wardrobe of nun's habits and other religious imagery could be viewed as references to the Catholic Church's demonization of homosexuality.
The Catholic imagery in particular is reminiscent of works by Gaga's obvious predecessor, the aforementioned Madonna, another pop female whose conflicted feelings about religion have been explored in her own videos such as "Oh Father" and the banned "Like a Prayer." As Gaga told King: "I struggle with my feelings about the Church in particular....in terms of religion, I'm very religious. I was raised Catholic. I believe in Jesus. I believe in God. I'm very spiritual. I pray very much. But at the same time, there is no one religion that doesn't hate or speak against or be prejudiced against another racial group or religious group, or sexual group. For that, I think religion is also bogus. So I suppose you could say I'm a quite religious woman that is very confused about religion. And I dream and envision a future where we have a more peaceful religion or a more peaceful world, a more peaceful state of mind for the younger generation. And that's what I dream for."
At the very least, the "Alejandro" video is a thank-you gift to Gaga's large and devoted LGBT fanbase, the affectionately nicknamed "Little Monsters" who have helped make her the biggest female pop star on the planet. "The gay community...has been the most enormous blessing of my life, that I have them and their support and the way that they truly understand me and support me," Gaga told King. "My admiration for the gay community comes from an incredibly steadfast and joyful courage and very bravery that they have for one another, for their community. To be gay and to live openly in this society is something that requires a tremendous amount of strength and steadfastness....I celebrate their culture and their union and who they are, in my music, and in my fashion, and in my work, every day. And I will forever."
Of course, "Alejandro" is controversial and polarizing--no Gaga video would be complete without a little shock value--but by Gaga standards, this video is actually almost downright tame, and this time, she isn't dancing with cans of Miracle Whip or disco sticks or hats fashioned out of princess phones. This time, there seems to be a message behind Gaga's madness. Will people listen to what she has to say? Regardless, this is yet another Lady Gaga video that will be impossible to ignore.
 
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