If life evolves under the right conditions, “Where is everybody?”

[Hitchey]

I am willing to grant that some intelligent species die out from disaster. We could have gone that route. I can even foresee intelligent life being superseded by some hyper predator. So I am not willing to grant that intelligent life must be fairly common, but the supposition that we should have been able to detect them is flawed.

I agree. We have likely only been detectable, ourselves, since last century. We have spent most of our existence way below the radar. However, we might start examining planets with high levels of oxygen. We are nearing that kind of capability. That at least should indicate which planets are most likely to have life.

 

[painted wolf]

Does this thread imply that the day we find alien life, is the day god is disproved?
What a sad comment on faith, that it can't survive the advance of knowledge.

Wa:do

 

[Amill]

If you have no common sense to see why we haven't found any alien life then there's no point in debating. Humans have only been on one other rock, our own moon. The fact that there are other possible locations for life within our own solar system should have you worried. I mean there are 3+ other bodies in our solar system where evidence suggests that liquid water has once existed, or still does. A few moons that probably have large liquid oceans and Mars, where there are signs that water once flowed over the land. In my opinion this shows that throughout the galaxy and the Universe, there may very well be massive amounts of locations where life may get a chance. How many of those locations will have life? Who knows. We obviously haven't gotten a chance to explore many places. And just because we haven't heard any signals from other intelligent lifeforms elsewhere in the small amount of time that we've been transmitting, doesn't mean they aren't out there, and certainly doesn't mean that life doesn't exist. This is one of the dumber arguments against Evolution.

 

[McBell]

If you have no common sense to see why we haven't found any alien life then there's no point in debating. Humans have only been on one other rock, our own moon. The fact that there are other possible locations for life within our own solar system should have you worried. I mean there are 3+ other bodies in our solar system where evidence suggests that liquid water has once existed, or still does. A few moons that probably have large liquid oceans and Mars, where there are signs that water once flowed over the land. In my opinion this shows that throughout the galaxy and the Universe, there may very well be massive amounts of locations where life may get a chance. How many of those locations will have life? Who knows. We obviously haven't gotten a chance to explore many places. And just because we haven't heard any signals from other intelligent lifeforms elsewhere in the small amount of time that we've been transmitting, doesn't mean they aren't out there, and certainly doesn't mean that life doesn't exist. This is one of the dumber arguments against Evolution.

What post is this in reply to?

 

[Tristesse]

As we explore deeper and deeper into space, we are not finding any signs of alien life. As physicist Enrico Fermie quipped, “Where is Everybody?” For an evolutionist, the search for alien life is the search for his own origins. “We believe we are conducting the most profound search in human history — to know our beginnings and our place among the stars,” declares the SETI institute.

Let me suggest that without alien life forms on other planets evolution from common descent becomes less believable. If earth is not uniquely qualified or designed for life then life should have evolved simultaneous on other planets. And if earth is uniquely qualified for life then that confirms the Bible's creation account. The Bible tells us that through creation the earth is where God’s attention and plan for life is. The Bible says that Christ become a man, not an alien and is seated at the right hand of the Father, not ministering to aliens. The Bible is confirmed again.

Well, first of all. We haven't made it outside of our little solar system. And there are billions and billions of planets outside of our solar system. But even if we never discover, or even if there isn't life on any other planet, that doesn't discredit the theory of evolution. And that doesn't mean that if evolution is incorrect, that some other hypothesis is right. The god hypothesis needs evidence to support it's claim, it doesn't win by default if evolution is wrong. Especially such an outlandish claim of the christian god.

 

[fantome profane]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Terry Bisson[/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]They're Made out of Meat[/FONT]
​

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]
[/FONT] "They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

<[FONT=helvetica,arial,sans-serif] 2 [/FONT]>
​

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"

"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."


the end

 

[fantome profane]

I think that explains why we haven&#8217;t found other intelligent life in the universe.

 

[Man of Faith]

Does this thread imply that the day we find alien life, is the day god is disproved?
What a sad comment on faith, that it can't survive the advance of knowledge.

Wa:do

Not at all, what we do is proselytize them in Jesus name. Actually there is nothing in the Bible from what I can tell that says there will not be life on other planets. However the point of the thread is if evolution happens and abiogenesis happens, where is it and why only on this planet?

 

[Tristesse]

Not at all, what we do is proselytize them in Jesus name. Actually there is nothing in the Bible from what I can tell that says there will not be life on other planets. However the point of the thread is if evolution happens and abiogenesis happens, where is it and why only on this planet?

We haven't explored any other planets outside of our tiny solar system. So, how can you make the broad statement that there isn't any life on other planets? There might not be life on the planets in this solar system, but that doesn't say anything about other solar systems.

 

[Autodidact]

Not at all, what we do is proselytize them in Jesus name. Actually there is nothing in the Bible from what I can tell that says there will not be life on other planets. However the point of the thread is if evolution happens and abiogenesis happens, where is it and why only on this planet?

So have you learned that your assumption that is the case is groundless?

 

[Man of Faith]

We haven't explored any other planets outside of our tiny solar system. So, how can you make the broad statement that there isn't any life on other planets? There might not be life on the planets in this solar system, but that doesn't say anything about other solar systems.

In the mean time I will continue to worship my creator who told me what's what when he came to earth.

 

[Autodidact]

In the mean time I will continue to worship my creator who told me what's what when he came to earth.

Fascinating and irrelevant to this thread. Now we'll find out whether your creator endowed you with humility and honesty. Do you or do you not now realize that your assumption that there is no life on any other planet is utterly unfounded, and very likely incorrect?

 

[Man of Faith]

Fascinating and irrelevant to this thread. Now we'll find out whether your creator endowed you with humility and honesty. Do you or do you not now realize that your assumption that there is no life on any other planet is utterly unfounded, and very likely incorrect?

I believe it to be correct and for now we will have to say I am correct would we not?

 

[Autodidact]

I believe it to be correct and for now we will have to say I am correct would we not?

Why would we say that? How many solar systems have you investigated? Out of the trillions in existence, that is?

Sadly, I take that as a no for humility or honesty. O.K.

You believe there is no life on other planets? On what do you base that belief? I'm guessing no on evidence?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Let me suggest that without alien life forms on other planets evolution from common descent becomes less believable.....The Bible is confirmed again.

Gymnastics for the mind.

 

[RedOne77]

You believe there is no life on other planets? On what do you base that belief? I'm guessing no on evidence?

It is done in a very similar way atheists deny the existence of God. Atheists say that because there isn't enough evidence to suggest a God, God doesn't exist. We say that there isn't life outside of Earth because we feel that there isn't enough evidence to say otherwise. But even if we do find life, it doesn't disprove God, the Bible, or creationism.

 

[Autodidact]

It is done in a very similar way atheists deny the existence of God. Atheists say that because there isn't enough evidence to suggest a God, God doesn't exist. We say that there isn't life outside of Earth because we feel that there isn't enough evidence to say otherwise.

But in fact the evidence indicates that it is very likely that there is life on other planets.

 

[Tristesse]

In the mean time I will continue to worship my creator who told me what's what when he came to earth.

Yes, but you're missing the point. You made a statement of why there isn't life on other planets. And I'm saying that there very well could be, we haven't been able to do exploring of other solar systems.

 

[Twilight Hue]

As we explore deeper and deeper into space, we are not finding any signs of alien life. As physicist Enrico Fermie quipped, “Where is Everybody?” For an evolutionist, the search for alien life is the search for his own origins. “We believe we are conducting the most profound search in human history — to know our beginnings and our place among the stars,” declares the SETI institute.

Let me suggest that without alien life forms on other planets evolution from common descent becomes less believable. If earth is not uniquely qualified or designed for life then life should have evolved simultaneous on other planets. And if earth is uniquely qualified for life then that confirms the Bible's creation account. The Bible tells us that through creation the earth is where God’s attention and plan for life is. The Bible says that Christ become a man, not an alien and is seated at the right hand of the Father, not ministering to aliens. The Bible is confirmed again.

I don't think you realize just how vast and huge our universe is coupled by the incalculable distances (even for light years) that which objects and galaxies can be apart from one another.

For what has been studied and developed in the span of all human history and technology so far, we haven't even yet begun to explore any areas in the least. The areas we do know about are barely minuscule in regards to what information we can derive from our sojourns and observations at this point and arguably our technology is still "too primitive" to effectively search for and to properly ascertain signs of life. I feel its only a matter of time though coupled with future scientific advancements before the first living organism is discovered even if it happens to be a microscopic fungus type or a type of algae. I personally think life in general is fairly common in the universe. All we need to do is to know exactly where and what to look for. Already there has been numerous discoveries of earth-like planets in what is deemed as the habitable zone around various parent star(s). We just need to find ways to make things clearer.

Even in our own back yard involving "super close" bodies in our solar system like Europa, Titan, Jupiter, and Mars just to name a few, we may very well find something in our respective lifetimes.

My immediate personal favorites for the first evidences of life to be discovered whether fossilized or living, are Mars and Europa.

 

[Man of Faith]

Yes, but you're missing the point. You made a statement of why there isn't life on other planets. And I'm saying that there very well could be, we haven't been able to do exploring of other solar systems.

If evolution and abiogenesis is true there very well could be and I would expect it. However I'm not holding my breath. I have my ancient manuscripts to cling to.