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It is like the ultimate unanswerable question:If there is no causation, then there is no need for a god;
If there must be causation, then what was the cause of a supposed god?
What say you?
It is like the ultimate unanswerable question:
How many licks does it take to get to center of a tootsie roll pop?
If there is no causation, then there is no need for a god;
If there must be causation, then what was the cause of a supposed god?
What say you?
Another interesting concept is that the universe is the root from which 'causations' grow into many branches. the universe is and processes grow and manifest from it. the question is, do you search for purpose or final cause. does the universe or natural environment need more than causality or 'purpose' for the sake of growth.If there is no causation, then there is no need for a god;
If there must be causation, then what was the cause of a supposed god?
What say you?
Why does God need a cause? Are you assuming that either all things must have a cause or their is no cause at all?If there is no causation, then there is no need for a god;
If there must be causation, then what was the cause of a supposed god?
What say you?
Cause and effect is a phenomena within our universe, it doesn't necessarily follow that it applies to entities beyond.If there is no causation, then there is no need for a god;
If there must be causation, then what was the cause of a supposed god?
What say you?
Actually God is outside of time negating the concept of a beginning.The question really provides nothing at all. The religious will answer this by saying that God is outside of our understanding. The non-religious will criticize that idea.
It seems to be a common flaw to believe that things outside this universe behave the same as things in it.Cause and effect is a phenomena within our universe, it doesn't necessarily follow that it applies to entities beyond.
Anyway, I know you believe in the multiverse which is full of causation.
I would say that the universe existed before logician was conceived and the universe will continue to exist after logician is gone. In fact, the universe would have existed this entire time even if logician had never been conceived.If there is no causation, then there is no need for a god;
Wasn't the question whether Logician has a cause?I would say that the universe existed before logician was conceived and the universe will continue to exist after logician is gone. In fact, the universe would have existed this entire time even if logician had never been conceived.
Since there is clearly no need for logician to exist, does that mean that logician doesn't exist?
And then turn right around and make all manner of claims as to what God wants, commands, feels, thinks, etc.The religious will answer this by saying that God is outside of our understanding.
Because the hypocrisy of such a statement is beyond astounding.The non-religious will criticize that idea.
The argument is that because of the complexity of the universe, there has to be a cause for said complexity.Why does God need a cause?
No, that assumption is made by the one who claims that the complexity had to come from God.Are you assuming that either all things must have a cause or their is no cause at all?
Actually this statement is nothing more than a cop out given in order to divert the attention away from the assumptions being applied to God.Actually God is outside of time negating the concept of a beginning.
Seems to be an even more common flaw to make completely unsubstantiated claims of beings that supposedly exist outside this universe.It seems to be a common flaw to believe that things outside this universe behave the same as things in it.
It seems to be a common flaw to believe that things outside this universe behave the same as things in it.
Why does God need a cause? Are you assuming that either all things must have a cause or their is no cause at all?
Cause and effect is a phenomena within our universe, it doesn't necessarily follow that it applies to entities beyond.
Anyway, I know you believe in the multiverse which is full of causation.
I tend towards the "no causation" thought, i.e. matter and energy have existed forever, with no need for a supposed god to tinker around.