Is the Perpetuation of the Myth of the Antichrist’s Number Being 666 a Conspiracy?

[Bennettresearch]

Irenaeus is the first of the church fathers to consider the mystic number 666. While Irenaeus did propose some solutions of this numerical riddle, his interpretation was quite reserved. Thus, he cautiously states: "But knowing the sure number declared by Scripture, that is six hundred sixty and six, let them await, in the first place, the division of the kingdom into ten; then, in the next place, when these kings are reigning, and beginning to set their affairs in order, and advance their kingdom, [let them learn] to acknowledge that he who shall come claiming the kingdom for himself, and shall terrify those men of whom we have been speaking, have a name containing the aforesaid number, is truly the abomination of desolation."Although Irenaeus did speculate upon three names to symbolize this mystical number, namely Euanthas, Teitan and Lateinos, nevertheless he was content to believe that the Antichrist would arise some time in the future after the fall of Rome and then the meaning of the number would be revealed Irenaeus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hi,You realize that Revelation barely made it into the New Testament. The reason would be that some people could see the that it was pointed towards the formation of the Christian Church in the first century and was predicting further actions of this church. It has been common practice as this church grew in power to dismiss any counter claims and it got a lot worse than that. Irenaeus' view of Revelation was clouded. Like I said in the intro of this thread, he couldn't imagine the prophecy being written about the church, but it is.Craig

 

[logician]

It seems like the number of the antiChrist should at least be a prime number.

 

[Bennettresearch]

This Abrahamic 'conspiracy', (which it is) dates back to Babylonian Astrology. The 36 Babylonian gods (decans) were given sacred numbers 1 thru 36 which placated their importance as well as placing them in Astrological frames within the constellations (12 ea.). The 36 decans ruled over 10 degrees of the zodiacal circle and over 10 days of the 360-day year.

The sum of the numbers from 1-36 is 666;
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12
+ 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19 + 20 + 21 + 22
+ 23 + 24 + 25 + 26 + 27 + 28 + 29 + 30 + 31 + 32
+ 33 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666

This number (666) is referred to as 'the Grand Number of the Sun'. The Babylonian Sun-God is the cosmic god and the Father of all gods.

It becomes obvious that the Christian faith, in its necessity to eradicate all paganism, used this number of the Sun/Son God/Father of all gods as a tool to convince its sheeple of the evil, bad, devil worshiping Babylonians (who's King was also tagged with the Lucifer moniker in Isaiah 14:12)


*999 in Gematria; Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Bray****h Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999

Well, very impressive but irrelevant. Numerology is truly fascinating, but has it provided any answers? What relevance does Nero have to do with Revelation? NONE. Consider this. The Apostle John was not a master of the numerological traditions of the time. He was a simple man who walked with Jesus. Many scholars question writings attributed to him because the greek is far too refined for someone speaking it as a second language. It is the same with any numerological references. KISS. Occam's Razor. The simplist conclusion is the best. That is why I finally decided that it probably was used as a red herring in the tradition of OT prophets. The motive was to hide the true meaning inside of the metaphor. Why would they give it away by providing numbers that the subjects of their prophecies could use to figure it out? Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

666 is a solar number holy to the sun, common in Thelema, Christian mysticism, the Jewish Kabbalah, and the Babylonian tradition. This number also happens to be the gematric value of Nero Caesar's name, who was a prosecutor of early Christians.

Blah Blah BlahAll of this authoritative numerology and not one is challenging the parsing of the text in chapter 13. You do realize that most of the munerological interpreters only speak of one beast. There are four different beasts. This make their minds go numb. They have ignored almost 2000 years of history while doing nothing to figure out what chapter 13 is really saying.Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

It seems like the number of the antiChrist should at least be a prime number.

Funny, I like it. Craig

 

[BruceDLimber]

If you want to send me an email address, I'll be more than happy to provide you a full chapter interpreting and explaining Revelation 13 from a book I've edited recently and which I have online here!

Nor is it "my opinion" as I'm not the author--just the indexer and editor.

So the ball's in your court!

We deliver.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

and incorrectly I might add.

Funny how it yields the correct years regardless, then!

And in accord with the criteria present in the Jewish scriptures for how these things are to be construed, too!

Small world.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[MSizer]

There is a toll highway that runs from east to west north of toronto, and a few years ago two of their office employees refused to comply when a new security system was installed in their office building. Each employee was issued a security card to let them in and out of their work area, but two employees refused to take cards since the sysmtem could potentially generate a digital ID which contained the string "666". They refused to give in, so they were fired. I'm glad. If you want to be stupid about things, deal with the consequences.

 

[Bennettresearch]

There is a toll highway that runs from east to west north of toronto, and a few years ago two of their office employees refused to comply when a new security system was installed in their office building. Each employee was issued a security card to let them in and out of their work area, but two employees refused to take cards since the sysmtem could potentially generate a digital ID which contained the string "666". They refused to give in, so they were fired. I'm glad. If you want to be stupid about things, deal with the consequences.

I quite agree. The myth has fed upon superstition and as I have pointed out, a misunderstanding of the use of the number 666 in the prophecy. The scary thing is, I have even heard Atheists refer to 666 as relating to evil or Satan. That is how the bad the brainwashing has been. I have no problem with people who look for clear headed proof.Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

If you want to send me an email address, I'll be more than happy to provide you a full chapter interpreting and explaining Revelation 13 from a book I've edited recently and which I have online here!

Nor is it "my opinion" as I'm not the author--just the indexer and editor.

So the ball's in your court!

We deliver.

Peace,

Bruce

Hellllllllooooooooooo. this is a forum, not a place for a soapboxer proselytizing their religion. If you have such earth shattering data, by all means quote it. If you have an argument, by all means back it up with some proof or at least a compelling argument. All I am hearing is bloviating ego centric puffery. Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

Funny how it yields the correct years regardless, then!

And in accord with the criteria present in the Jewish scriptures for how these things are to be construed, too!

Small world.

Peace,

Bruce

OK, and just which Jewish scriptures would those be? Why don't you try backing up what you say with some facts?Craig

 

[BruceDLimber]

[T]his is a forum, not a place for a soapboxer proselytizing their religion.

PRECISELY why I offered to email it to YOU instead of posting anything here!

If you have such earth shattering data, by all means quote it. If you have an argument, by all means back it up with some proof or at least a compelling argument.

I've already offered to send it to you!

If you don't want to bother having me do so, then kindly spare me the carping about "proof" which I've made clear I'm prepared to send you.

You can't have it both ways, little as you seem to appreciate this.

So kindly make your choice:

• Provide me an email address where I can send the material, or
• Quit complaining that you haven't seen it.

After all, this isn't rocket science.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

OK, and just which Jewish scriptures would those be?

The "day is a year" statement is here:


"each day for a year"
­Numbers 14:34

And I trust you already know where the prophecies are of 69 and 70 weeks, 1260 years, and 2300 years (in Daniel and Revelation).

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Baydwin]

Since the number is 616, I guess it is a conspiracy.

Number of the Beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bennettresearch]

Since the number is 616, I guess it is a conspiracy.

Number of the Beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's funny how this fact has been ignored by the numerologists and how they continue to espouse their theories based on the number 666. I can't say for sure which one it would be because the first 7 verses of chapter 1 tell us that this prophecy has been doctored by the transcribers who are prone to inject their own opinions. What is clear, is that the number at the end of chapter 13 is referring to Jesus. It is the number that the Antichrist would have the populace wear to identify themselves as Christian insiders, those who could have life. I haven't identified all of the players in this thread to keep it simple, but chapter 13 has played out already. Look to the past. Thankyou.Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

The "day is a year" statement is here:


"each day for a year"
­Numbers 14:34

And I trust you already know where the prophecies are of 69 and 70 weeks, 1260 years, and 2300 years (in Daniel and Revelation).

Peace,

Bruce

Thankyou. you have just provided me with the final reason to disregard your opinion on this matter and to ignore any future posts you may want to bother me with. I am not going to read your religious propaganda as you have proved to me it would be a colossal waste of my time.I have stated my case and started this thread. You have provided nothing but gross misstatements and an arrogant insistence that I run off and go read something. You are obligated to provide any proof of your positions. I am standing behind my delineation and I am welcoming all challengers or opinions on the matter. I am not obligated to read anything other than what you provide, so provide this supposed interpretation of Revelation and show me how it is not an ego-centric idiosyncratic example of the attempt of your religion to co-opt Jesus to suit their own purposes.Craig

 

[BruceDLimber]

You might catch more flies with honey than vinegar, in case you weren't aware of this.

And I gave you the citation you requested, so you have no grounds whatever for complaint!

I'll also provide you the site that explains all this in detail should you care to look:

www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled

The reasons are there.

In any case, you badly need to correct your font and/or your settings because when you quote stuff it shows up badly mangled and as keyword terms instead of being implemented normally.

Bruce

 

[Bennettresearch]

You might catch more flies with honey than vinegar, in case you weren't aware of this.

And I gave you the citation you requested, so you have no grounds whatever for complaint!

I'll also provide you the site that explains all this in detail should you care to look:

www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled

The reasons are there.

In any case, you badly need to correct your font and/or your settings because when you quote stuff it shows up badly mangled and as keyword terms instead of being implemented normally.

Bruce

Excuse me????????? You have arrogantly entered in this thread and dismissed my delineation while trying to proselytize your religion. You failed to support anything you have said and seem to want to play the victim. Take a hint. Post your supposed proof like everyone else. I don't respond well to people condescendinly suggesting reading material, you have no idea how long and how deep I have researched this subject which you dismiss without addressing the subject with any proof to the contrary. Save your propaganda, what part of NO don't you understand?Craig

 

[blackout]

My son has a birthmark in the shape of a 999 on his head. Does that mean anything?

it means he may want to think twice before becoming an acrobat.

:yes:

 

[BruceDLimber]

What you are not understanding, BR, is that the proofs are far too voluminous to post in a forum like this! That's why I provided you a link instead; this is simple courtesy to other folks here.

It does look like you may have corrected the problem with your posts' formatting; or at least this time, the quoted stuff showed up normally instead of being interspersed with keywords for quote marks, etc..

Peace,

Bruce