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OH GOD! [frubals for intelligent responses]

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,

Accepting that God is ONE for humans is it possible for such a God to say such words: quoted from a post which again is quoted from a holy books of humans which ill be known by those who have read the book.

Say: O you who disbelieve
To you be your religion and to me my religion

What is the religion God is talking about here?
what does God mean by religion in this context?
Does this mean that God has *A* religion that he too follows?
[God the *SEEKER*?]
Whom & what are we disbelieving, here?

BEGIN........

Love & rgds
 

.lava

Veteran Member
Friends,

Accepting that God is ONE for humans is it possible for such a God to say such words: quoted from a post which again is quoted from a holy books of humans which ill be known by those who have read the book.



What is the religion God is talking about here?
what does God mean by religion in this context?
Does this mean that God has *A* religion that he too follows?
[God the *SEEKER*?]
Whom & what are we disbelieving, here?

BEGIN........

Love & rgds

i think you need to reread the verse. it starts with "say:"





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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
the chapter or the specific verses tell us muslims to say that to the non muslims. hence the "Say" that .lava has already pointed out. god isn't following a religion, he is the source of everything.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,

God saying something meant only for few?
Whatever is provided by that god is not for every living creatures?
am still to reach any understanding on the questions posed.

Love & rgds
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Friends,

God saying something meant only for few?
Whatever is provided by that god is not for every living creatures?
am still to reach any understanding on the questions posed.

Love & rgds

everything that is provided by that god is for everyone, but what can we do to those who live in denial and in rejection? is that gods fault?
 

.lava

Veteran Member
Friends,

God saying something meant only for few?
Whatever is provided by that god is not for every living creatures?
am still to reach any understanding on the questions posed.

Love & rgds

God commands Mohammad SAW to say it. if you are following footsteps of Mohammad SAW and what he inivited people to be saved from hell which is submission to God, then it is meant for you too. and no, not every verse is said for each of us. some verses refers to ones who believe in God but they are not saved yet, some refers to people who don't believe in God and some refers to people who don't believe in God and fight against it. (PS: there are many levels.)we can't expect all humans to be the same, of course one needs to study Qur'an to know which verse refers to whom.






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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
What is the religion God is talking about here?

islam

what does God mean by religion in this context?

his laws to humanity and total submission to him

Does this mean that God has *A* religion that he too follows?
[God the *SEEKER*?]


he is telling his righteous believers to say that to the non believers, god has laws for his creation to follow.

Whom & what are we disbelieving, here?

you are disbelieveing Allah, his prophets, his laws etc etc.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Say: O you who disbelieve
To you be your religion and to me my religion
This is a statement that Muslims are supposed to use when they get into inconclusive discussions with non-Muslims. In essence, Muslims are told not to waste too much time on unreceptive disbelievers.
What is the religion God is talking about here?
In this statement "To you be your religion" is mean specifically towards followers of the only religions recognized by Islam, namely Judaism and Christianity. "And to me my religion" refers to Islam specifically.

what does God mean by religion in this context?
It is addressed to followers of the religions existing at the time of Muhammad. An important note is that pagans were not considered a religion as they were outside the Abrahamic umbrella.
Does this mean that God has *A* religion that he too follows?
Not really. Ostensibly Islam is the only "true" path to God and it is the religion of man which represents the "straight path" to Allah. It is important to note that no other religion is accepted by Allah, according to Islamic thought.

Whom & what are we disbelieving, here?
It is more about acceptance of the role of Muhammad than anything else. Christians and Jews refused to accept his "divine office" and were less than polite about it on many occasions. It is because of their temerity that the disbeliever is accorded considerable disdain in Islam. Just keep in mind, it is the rejection of Muhammad as THE Messenger of God, and not necessarily the rejection of God/Allah that got "disbelievers" in to hot water with the "Prophet" and his minions.
 
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zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend YmirGF,
Am only asking only as to how *God* of all humans can speak of *A* religion?
Does it not show any bias by the interpreter because an apple tree created by that ONE *God* has provided it for everyone equally as even non-believers are also part of *him*
can this be cleared?

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend eselam,

everything that is provided by that god is for everyone, but what can we do to those who live in denial and in rejection? is that gods fault?

Who is denying what? clarify.
If you say denying *god* then would state the definitions between humans are different because of their own minds. How can you say they live in denial?

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend eselam,

he is telling his righteous believers to say that to the non believers, god has laws for his creation to follow.

You are trying to say that others [enlightened humans] are not righteous? Personally understanding is that each one has his own way of interpreting the laws of creation which none should have any objection about as for him others are non-believers.

you are disbelieveing Allah, his prophets, his laws etc etc.

The quote does not specify anything besides who put that label *allah* like him someone labeled it *God* and someone *bhagwan* where is the problem they are all humans!

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend anti-religion,

Zenzero is the Allah of this thread.he is going to provide [frubals for intelligent responses].
depends on which side you are on, believer or non-believer??:D:D

Love & rgds
 

enchanted_one1975

Resident Lycanthrope
Does this mean that God has *A* religion that he too follows?
I am more apt to think that He meant the religion that He represents. This would much be the way I may refer to a God as my God. I am not saying that I own that God. That is my way of saying that that is the God that I am worshiping or that is in my heart at that time.
 

Commoner

Headache
Friend YmirGF,
Am only asking only as to how *God* of all humans can speak of *A* religion?
Does it not show any bias by the interpreter because an apple tree created by that ONE *God* has provided it for everyone equally as even non-believers are also part of *him*
can this be cleared?

Love & rgds

Well nobody said god can't be biased. (except for god) :D

I've often wondered how one could know one knew everything. Could god really have the knowledge to know he knew everything? It's almost a bit self-defeating to say you know everything, isn't it? I just hope for god's sake Thor and Zeus aren't waiting for him around the corner of the universe to teach him a lesson in cosmic whoopass. :slap:
 
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A-ManESL

Well-Known Member
Friends,

Accepting that God is ONE for humans is it possible for such a God to say such words: quoted from a post which again is quoted from a holy books of humans which ill be known by those who have read the book.



What is the religion God is talking about here?
what does God mean by religion in this context?
Does this mean that God has *A* religion that he too follows?
[God the *SEEKER*?]
Whom & what are we disbelieving, here?

BEGIN........

Love & rgds

I presume you are quoting from the Quran (Chapter 109). Two points need to be made.

Firstly your translation is incorrect, the correct translation should not contain the term religion; a better translation would be to you be your way and to me be mine. In fact Arabic does not have any word which might be substituted fully for religion. The word din being translated as religion here differs from the modern understanding of the word religion in a significant number of respects. (which are complicated and too long to explain; hence I refer you to the book given below) To translate religion as din is a late reification of something which earlier ages saw differently.

Secondly your translation is wrong if you interpret it as saying that some kind of religious excluvisim is being propogated here. You should always keep in mind that no idea, philosophy etc is ever intelligible save the context of its time. This verse directs people not to indulge in useless efforts for reformation when it was evident that they were having no effect. One of the main messages of the Quran (if you read it with the meanings of the terms as in the 7th century) is to preach against the chosen one concept. (Source: Tarjuman-ul-Quran by Moulana Abul Kalam Azad).

You might be interested in this classic book on religion :The Meaning and End of Religion by the famous Canadian scholar Wilfred Cantwell Smith. In this book, the author argues that the Prophet would have been, above all others perhaps, deeply alarmed at any suggestion that he was starting a new religion. His argument is based mostly on historical and linguistic evidence.

The answers to your questions might lie in this direction: what is important is not religion but religiousness. That is what all the men of God have always talked about.
 
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Metempsychosis

Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
What's this got to do with this thread?

To you be your religion--->your religion says so.anyway that was fabricated link.:p.That almost condemns every other religion that comes after it.Ex:Sikhism ,bahai etc ,then they come under dis-believers.
 
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