Astral Projection

[Phasmid]

Have there been any scientific studies on all this?

 

[YmirGF]

Er, are you saying that if I have morality, I won't be ready for astral projection?

If your subjective sense of "morality" is governed by an abiding belief in so-called "good and evil", then yes, you simply are not ready for this type of thing. The point is you will likely project your ideas about reality onto the environment you perceive, effectively blinding you to its actual nature. That nature is one that is highly malleable - even in the so-called "The Real-Time Zone" area discussed in the OP. What I am cautioning against is the possible result of people's imaginations in such circumstances.

 

[YmirGF]

Have there been any scientific studies on all this?

Nothing of much note. The field doesn't attract a lot research money or seriousness due largely to all the "New Age" quackery on the subject.

 

[other-side]

Try not to be confused by the descriptions and definitions as you can become fixated on them. If fixation occurs you will feel that you are failing to achieve what the imagined guidelines set forth. In other words, free your mind to conceive YOUR OWN definitions and don't get too hung up on what others tell you. They (and I) are simply lending their own distortions to what is essentially a fairly simple process.

well said. Thoughts will disturb the reality .try to ignore what you hear about the astral and enter it blank!

YmirGF thanks for the tips dude

Er, don't these two statements kinda contradict eachother?

yeah I guess so but the point is that they can't do anything so just annoy them IF you meet them + as YmirGF said don't let these descriptions deceive you. as Bruce says:

My research shows that a dweller-type manifestation will trouble less than one in twenty new projectors

so get over it and just be aware!

Have there been any scientific studies on all this?

check wiki:
Astral projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[T-Dawg]

If your subjective sense of "morality" is governed by an abiding belief in so-called "good and evil", then yes, you simply are not ready for this type of thing.

That doesn't make any sense. Knowing that a few things are good and many things are evil will project onto the astral dimension? And then what?

That nature is one that is highly malleable - even in the so-called "The Real-Time Zone" area discussed in the OP. What I am cautioning against is the possible result of people's imaginations in such circumstances.

You make it sound like you think that believing in good and evil has a negative effect on a person's imagination. To the contrary, fitting things into two obvious groups has a beneficial effect - if there wasn't a good and evil, I wouldn't have any idea who to trust, what to do, what not to do, because everything would look exactly the same on a moral level. I don't get how uncertainty in matters of morality could possibly be good. The only difficulty in "good and evil" is deciding what's good and what's evil, and deciding where to draw the line between good and evil in people.

 

[other-side]

You make it sound like you think that believing in good and evil has a negative effect on a person's imagination. To the contrary, fitting things into two obvious groups has a beneficial effect - if there wasn't a good and evil, I wouldn't have any idea who to trust, what to do, what not to do, because everything would look exactly the same on a moral level.

I agree with that :yes:
Having moral and AP-ing gives an extra boost in the Astral and will let you find your way more easily and move in the right path.

 

[Azakel]

I agree with that :yes:
Having moral and AP-ing gives an extra boost in the Astral and will let you find your way more easily and move in the right path.

But having Morals and having a concept of what is Good and Evil are two different things. They need not go hand and hand.
And what is the Right path? Your Path? This is Subjective and really plays no part in this.

 

[T-Dawg]

But having Morals and having a concept of what is Good and Evil are two different things. They need not go hand and hand.
And what is the Right path? Your Path? This is Subjective and really plays no part in this.

Um, no, they aren't. The very definition of morality is living by some sort of code (often religious) in which some actions are good, and some are evil. For example, it is evil to steal, lie, and slaughter innocent people. Regardless of whether or not you define morals in the same way, what the heck does it have to do with astral projection? I don't get it...

 

[YmirGF]

That doesn't make any sense.

I would suggest that it doesn't make sense to you because you are presently fixated on notions of good and evil. I would go as far as saying that you probably cannot imagine reality outside of the terms of good and evil. In THOSE terms, these non-ordinary aspects of reality are only “good”, however due to existing preconceptions and the way the mind translates data, those who subscribe to such limited definitions of reality will likely misunderstand what they encounter.

Knowing that a few things are good and many things are evil will project onto the astral dimension?

Exactly so. Your mind will automatically translate your experience through those filters much like filters used on a camera will color the image accordingly.

And then what?

The answer to that is determined by you and how you subconsciously interpret the environment you find yourself in. I cannot stress enough that this aspect of experience, this so-called “astral plane” will literally mold itself to your existing beliefs – no matter what you believe. This is doubly so if you have what can be described as a vivid imagination. If you have the imagination of a cucumber then perhaps you will have few worries, but I suspect that you do not.

You make it sound like you think that believing in good and evil has a negative effect on a person's imagination.

No, not on your imagination, but rather such beliefs have a great impact on your experience! The difficulty here is that you cannot possibly appreciate the role your own imagination plays in such experiences. Stoked by the flames of your imagination your concepts of so-called “good and evil” can take on a reality that you may not be prepared for. THAT is the point I am trying to get across. I do not mean to denigrate you value-judgments, but rather, I am trying to inform you that they can have unexpected consequences in an environment that molds itself to those beliefs. I hope that is clear.

To the contrary, fitting things into two obvious groups has a beneficial effect - if there wasn't a good and evil, I wouldn't have any idea who to trust, what to do, what not to do, because everything would look exactly the same on a moral level.

I cannot relate to this as morality has never been much of an issue for me although I do appreciate that some find such designations necessary.

I don't get how uncertainty in matters of morality could possibly be good.

I have always found certainty to be a sign of the closed-minded. The thing I love about uncertainty is that it keeps my mind fresh and flexible. I am always exploring ideas and refining my thinking. I hope I never feel certain about anything because that is the day I will have stopped growing. The only thing I am certain about is that nothing is certain.

The only difficulty in "good and evil" is deciding what's good and what's evil, and deciding where to draw the line between good and evil in people.

So… you like playing god then.

 

[YmirGF]

I agree with that :yes:
Having moral and AP-ing gives an extra boost in the Astral and will let you find your way more easily and move in the right path.

Empathy and compassion will take you much further than relatively meaningless anthropomorphic views of morality.

 

[other-side]

But having Morals and having a concept of what is Good and Evil are two different things.

I define moral like that!

And what is the Right path? Your Path? This is Subjective and really plays no part in this

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for me the right path is my path and for you is yours.I didn't say its necessary said it will help to concentrate and know what you want from the Astral.

Regardless of whether or not you define morals in the same way, what the heck does it have to do with astral projection? I don't get it...

I don't expect you get it now! Entering the Astral and discovering it is the first step and it needs nothing,no morals no religious or nonreligious beliefs no nothing!
but when you understand the Astral and get it right it's the most important part.You can just use it as an entertainment or journey. or Use it as a teacher to grow your soul and understand more from God and it's creations.It's your choice.It's like a big store containing everything you can imagine.Guns,killing machines, books,farms,drugstore and so on.You're the one who chooses what to use and what is good to pick. That's the part moral comes in.You can pick a gun and go exploding those bad ones in the lower Astral and have fun or pick a book from the Akashic Record(a place that contains the past ,present and future of everything but with symbolic writings) and see what you want to see.

I would go as far as saying that you probably cannot imagine reality outside of the terms of good and evil.

I agree with that but just fro the beginning of the AP.

Exactly so. Your mind will automatically translate your experience through those filters much like filters used on a camera will color the image accordingly.

yes that's why beginners should enter the Astral with a blank mind or they will not understand what's going on!

No, not on your imagination, but rather such beliefs have a great impact on your experience!

Yep that's it

The only difficulty in "good and evil" is deciding what's good and what's evil, and deciding where to draw the line between good and evil in people.

That's a real danger! stop drawing lines or you will stuck!!
Deciding where to draw the lines and divide Good and Bad is not that easy especially in the Astral.That's why I suggest you meditate religiously for years before deciding.Anyway I talked about Morals because it will be in use after projecting many times.Using it for the first times will ruin your experience but using it after you get use to The Astral is a good choice,that's what I believe

Empathy and compassion will take you much further than relatively meaningless anthropomorphic views of morality.

Exactly.My Moral is based on Empathy and compassion.these are the fuels.Beliefs is the engine that consumes compassion to go forward. I guess we are both saying one thing here!

 

[T-Dawg]

however due to existing preconceptions and the way the mind translates data, those who subscribe to such limited definitions of reality will likely misunderstand what they encounter.

Eh, what existing preconceptions are you referring to?
Limited definitions of reality... again, you are making no sense whatsoever. What does knowing that some things are good and some things are evil have ANYTHING to do with a limited definition of reality?

This is doubly so if you have what can be described as a vivid imagination.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I hardly have a working "imagination" as you know it at all.

The difficulty here is that you cannot possibly appreciate the role your own imagination plays in such experiences. Stoked by the flames of your imagination your concepts of so-called “good and evil” can take on a reality that you may not be prepared for. THAT is the point I am trying to get across. I do not mean to denigrate you value-judgments, but rather, I am trying to inform you that they can have unexpected consequences in an environment that molds itself to those beliefs.

Ok, THAT makes a little more sense, but I'm still not getting why good and evil would have a negative effect on the mold the environment goes into...

The thing I love about uncertainty is that it keeps my mind fresh and flexible.

It also keeps my mind paranoid and constantly wondering if I'm doing the right thing =/.

So… you like playing god then.

Who doesn't? But besides that, how do you get morals if not judging them for yourself? I have a Bible that helps me in some areas but a lot of times the thing's so darn vague I have to decide for myself.

Empathy and compassion

Which you can't have unless your morality tells you that they are "good."

I have a feeling we aren't even refering to the same thing when we say "good and evil." Most of your arguments seem completely irrelevant to my belief set...

 

[YmirGF]

You make it sound like you think that believing in good and evil has a negative effect on a person's imagination. To the contrary, fitting things into two obvious groups has a beneficial effect - if there wasn't a good and evil, I wouldn't have any idea who to trust, what to do, what not to do, because everything would look exactly the same on a moral level.

I agree with that :yes:
Having moral and AP-ing gives an extra boost in the Astral and will let you find your way more easily and move in the right path.

Empathy and compassion will take you much further than relatively meaningless anthropomorphic views of morality.

Exactly.My Moral is based on Empathy and compassion.these are the fuels.Beliefs is the engine that consumes compassion to go forward. I guess we are both saying one thing here!

Almost. It is my suggestion that empathy and compassion are instantaneous, or "come from the heart" whereas so-called morality is the result of the analytical process or "comes from the head". In this way, morality is inferior to the free expression of empathy and compassion. When one relies on morality one is not necessarily using empathy and compassion. Understanding this will help one get passed making somewhat meaningless value-judgments based on moralistic prejudices.
(By the way, my original response to you on this point was FAR from flattering, but I thought better of it and let empathy and compassion speak rather than my analytical process.)


Now we get to an interesting comment

I don't expect you get it now! Entering the Astral and discovering it is the first step and it needs nothing,no morals no religious or nonreligious beliefs no nothing!

Although I detest the term "astral" due to the dearth of ridiculous literature that has been written on the subject, and with that understanding, I agree with your sentence, "in spirit".

However, then you come out with this drivel...

It's like a big store containing everything you can imagine.Guns,killing machines, books,farms,drugstore and so on.You're the one who chooses what to use and what is good to pick. That's the part moral comes in.You can pick a gun and go exploding those bad ones in the lower Astral and have fun or pick a book from the Akashic Record(a place that contains the past ,present and future of everything but with symbolic writings) and see what you want to see.

As someone with considerable expertise in this arena I must say that this really gives the wrong idea. What you are in fact missing, is the hallucinatory nature of virtually all of what you are suggesting. What the average voyager does not understand is that they are simply meeting the contents of their unconscious mind. I could be wrong, but I am not confident saying that you understand this -- otherwise you would not word your description the way you chose to. The so-called "Akashic record" is a figment and based on preconceived notions taken into the environment. This is a perfect example of what I mean by the unexpected nature of imagination popping up in ones internal experiences.

yes that's why beginners should enter the Astral with a blank mind or they will not understand what's going on!

I disagree. If you merely suspend your belief or hold them in abeyance there is the distinct probability that your latent beliefs will crop up in very unexpected ways. Again, I want to underscore and clarify the part that imagination plays in all this. By saying "imagination" I am not meaning is is unreal, but rather I am saying that your powerful imagination will AMPLIFY your perception, effectively ballooning what you encounter out of proportion.

For example: You are winging along and notice what appears to be a cloud. Whimsically, you think that the "cloud" resembles a dragon. A moment or two later you look back and the cloud has become a dragon. Entranced, you look at the dragon and as you watch the dragon takes on more detail. Your imagination is literally filling in the details. If it blasts you with a flash of fire, your anxiety will go right through the roof, metaphorically speaking and it will quickly take on a super reality. At this point you could find yourself desperately trying to escape this mental creation, all the while not realizing that it is you own creation. The reason for this is that it will seem VERY real because your imagination and emotions are fueling the image. The more attention you give it, the more detailed it becomes.

Do you understand what I am trying to say?

THIS is why I am cautioning people who have a highly developed views of "good and evil" to reconsider their beliefs before entering this area. Those beliefs can have dramatic and unexpected consequences.

Anyway I talked about Morals because it will be in use after projecting many times.

Um, how is that, exactly?

Using it for the first times will ruin your experience but using it after you get use to The Astral is a good choice,that's what I believe

Oy vey. Just out of curiosity could you outline how long you have been doing this and approximately how many inner adventures you have had? The answers to these questions might be instructive.

 

[other-side]

first of all let me add that my English is not that good so I guess ,unfortunately ,I sometimes sound stupid !! I really try to find the good words to say what I want to say And I hope I transfer my points. So sorry for my mistakes.

let me jump to the most important question you asked:

Oy vey. Just out of curiosity could you outline how long you have been doing this and approximately how many inner adventures you have had? The answers to these questions might be instructive.

OK I admit that i,m not an expert in projecting and I,m just in the beginning so shamefully I have to say two times and they were really short!! And truthfully i,m just using your tips to improve my way of projection.Whatever I say here is not my own experience but the tips that Iranian projectors have given me.
I just say what I have read or heard from the projectors here in Iran and most of them are weird people having intense religious beliefs!
They suggest to pure the intentions or the projecting can be dangerous!
I Really am confused and trying to find out what is the right way. You said:

compassion are instantaneous, or "come from the heart" whereas so-called morality is the result of the analytical process or "comes from the head".

That's the point I get here.I read that before saying not to project mentally or you will go crazy! you mentioned the Dragon example which was a good one to Get the fact.

I,m going to change my way of projecting tonight and see the results.Thanks for all the enlightening!

 

[YmirGF]

first of all let me add that my English is not that good so I guess ,unfortunately ,I sometimes sound stupid !! I really try to find the good words to say what I want to say And I hope I transfer my points. So sorry for my mistakes.

I understand. Suffice to say that your command of English is infinitely better than my command of your native language, lol. :flirt:

OK I admit that i,m not an expert in projecting and I,m just in the beginning so shamefully I have to say two times and they were really short!!

I had surmised as much. It would be interesting to hear of your adventures. I would write about some of mine, but unfortunately I fear that people's brains would implode. It is unlikely anyone here on RF has had similar experiences and so I'd rather hear about yours and just let me encourage you from the sidelines.

And truthfully i,m just using your tips to improve my way of projection.Whatever I say here is not my own experience but the tips that Iranian projectors have given me.

It is heartening to hear this. Again, I had already surmised this. Just out of curiosity is there very much interest in this field in Iran?

I just say what I have read or heard from the projectors here in Iran and most of them are weird people having intense religious beliefs!

Hehe. Well, what can I say? I am a weird person who does not suffer from intense religious beliefs as there is no religion on the planet than can contain my experience. They all have their crumbs, but their loaves turned to dust long ago.

They suggest to pure the intentions or the projecting can be dangerous!

If you are saying to not have any expectations in advance, then I would agree. As far as the danger goes, the danger is in how real things will seem. This could possible result in a destabilization of ones mental equilibrium. If one is not aware HOW things are created in this area of activity, and that they are, for the most part, ones own mental creations, the sheer reality or SEEMING reality could be quite overwhelming. In my own experience, I was 4 days past my 18th birthday when I quite spontaneously found myself out of my physical body. This was a result of "something I had eaten". <Grin>

What was not expected was ripping around the room and looking back at my body smiling sweetly with its eyes closed. It was even odder seeing everyone else in the room from this altered perspective. What was unexpected was the incredible clarity I felt in my mind. Going through walls was also unexpected. You see, when it happened I didn't really know anything about the subject. Sadly, that was well over three decades ago and I am much more careful about what I eat now.

*chuckles uproariously*

I Really am confused and trying to find out what is the right way.

I understand and went through much the same thing when I tried to reproduce my first two experiences (which happened on the same evening) back in 1974. My only advice is to have faith in yourself and trust your quite natural impulses and perhaps... abilities. Again, do not try TOO hard. It is like you are stalking a small deer or fawn and the creature is easily spooked. The only way to get close to it, and I can say this with real life experience with real live wild deer, that you must go in slowly and quietly. One fawn actually let me pick it up and hold it in my arms for a few minutes. It was a magical experience. You must treat yourself in the same manner. Go slowly... quietly... without fear...

You said:

That's the point I get here.I read that before saying not to project mentally or you will go crazy! you mentioned the Dragon example which was a good one to Get the fact.

I,m going to change my way of projecting tonight and see the results.Thanks for all the enlightening!

The trick is to catch yourself AS you are creating the experience. That is the only way to begin to get to any "deeper" levels of similar experience. Have your Iranian teachers talked about the projector projecting into an even more refined area?

 

[other-side]

I understand. Suffice to say that your command of English is infinitely better than my command of your native language, lol.

lol the problem is that English is infinitely more used than my native language

I had surmised as much. It would be interesting to hear of your adventures. I would write about some of mine, but unfortunately I fear that people's brains would implode. It is unlikely anyone here on RF has had similar experiences and so I'd rather hear about yours and just let me encourage you from the sidelines.

well one was scary! I was sleeping downstairs when I suddenly felt near my physical body looking at the wall !Suddenly I saw a red light and looked at amazingly (perhaps its was the reflection of the Phone's light bulb on the wall) then I thought it was a spider on the wall! just as you mentioned the dragon example I felt the spider more vivid and while I was concentrating other spiders popped out and became bigger and bigger! It was my mind creating it and it was so vivid that I suddenly screamed and ran :run:! After that I was shocked and returned to my body when I reached the next floor!
My second one was when I was working on the rope technique and trying to float.I suddenly felt that I,m up my body and in my room floating! I didn't had the control after a while I started to spin around my hip! I was spinning slowly and couldnt stop it!I was just looking at the walls turning and turning, a nice view!It went to fast so I think my mind couldnt handle it so suddenly I fliped and jumped in my bodyI woke up while my hand was shivering for a while!It was really cool but I couldnt sleep for hours,liked it.but it was really short:sad4:

I had many attempts finishing in the trance state.One finished with like someone hiting my chin so hard whcihI just woke with my eyes wide open lol
I had similar hits on my neck,stomach and hand.I guess I didn't meditate enough to get out.
another one was starnge.I had multi shocks throwing my hands up and down automatically!! It was cool though bad I couldnt get out

 

[other-side]

not related to projection but I see many prophetic dreams. They just become real a day after I have dreamt them.one of the recent one that amazed me was the fire on our university.I dreamt about our campus burning in fire and everyone was escaping to the mountains. After Iran's election my friends burned three big buildings n the uni and had to escape to the mountains and jungles near the uni not to get caught! When I heard the news after the election day i was just like OMG

Dear YmirGF can you tell us those fascinating experiences you had? I will promise not to implode

Just out of curiosity is there very much interest in this field in Iran?

Yep it's really getting more and more each day.I have heard that There are many classes teaching it in Tehran(I,m in Isfahan for now!) and People are getting intrested! just check برون فکنی ( پرواز روح - astral projection ) Arvah.Net : آدرس دوم انجمن and see it's all about persian people practicing projection and some have really cool experiences.(You cant read persian but you can see how much posts it has!)

If one is not aware HOW things are created in this area of activity, and that they are, for the most part, ones own mental creations, the sheer reality or SEEMING reality could be quite overwhelming.

yep exactly like my spider experience:cover:

It was even odder seeing everyone else in the room from this altered perspective. What was unexpected was the incredible clarity I felt in my mind. Going through walls was also unexpected. You see, when it happened I didn't really know anything about the subject. Sadly, that was well over three decades ago and I am much more careful about what I eat now.

wow that was a nice complete one,You get the chance to go through walls.tha's awesome so can you tell us that tricky thing you ate?:angel2:hot chocolate?:drool:

My only advice is to have faith in yourself and trust your quite natural impulses and perhaps... abilities. Again, do not try TOO hard. It is like you are stalking a small deer or fawn and the creature is easily spooked. The only way to get close to it, and I can say this with real life experience with real live wild deer, that you must go in slowly and quietly. One fawn actually let me pick it up and hold it in my arms for a few minutes. It was a magical experience. You must treat yourself in the same manner. Go slowly... quietly... without fear...

Thanks.that was a good lesson just before I go sleeping anyway I think I have this fear stuff in my way. I have to work on decreasing it before I get far from my body!

Have your Iranian teachers talked about the projector projecting into an even more refined area?

Yep I heard that from a few! their projection seemed completely different! One of them wrote a book about Creatures he saw while he was going up in superior planes.another had the experience to improve in his spiritualty!he was introduced to Holy leaders up the planes and even had some lessons there.They just don't tell their experiences coz it seems secret

 

[Danarch]

when I first tried to project I returned to my body spinning in the air and having a week shock in my hand.Just when my Astral body hit my physical body i was just like haha! and i couldn't sleep for hours I had the fear those days too because i didn't want to have that weird spinning feeling again! anyway by going forward and trying more you will control your fear and use it for your benefit

Spinning feeling...other-side, maybe you can help me with an experence that I had?

Due to the fact that I have a mental disorder and on medication, I have totally dismissed the event as an illusion, but something you said makes me now think otherwise, and may be related to this projection you speak of:

Deep in sleep, i dream't that I was on a pirate ship, only everything was a stage, and me and others were playing the part of pirates. Another pirate approached me. At this time I unsheathed my sword and ran him through to the hilt. Pulling out my sword I watched as he bled out across the deck. All of the sudden I was flying at incredible speed, and the I woke up.

To my horror the entire room was spinning in the darkness and making me dizzy. As the darkness around me was spinning, high pitched voices were screaming that I never had to enter there again. Then, to my relief, it all stopped.


Was this event at all related to projection? Any info would be helpful.:sw:

 

[Zardoz]

...Wow that was AmAzInG! a real accident! I guess the best way is to realize it was unexpected and will not happen again! Try to believe that;It's really scarce.

True, I think the only reason it happened at all was I was doing my self-hypnosis techniques to project up until a minute before. Falling made the separation happen spontaneously, perhaps as it was no longer being hindered by whatever kept me from succeeding, an unexpected surprise.

It's the best one I can mention. Lucid dreaming will help you to recognize some of the powers of the unconscious. That will help you to use them in projection and not get afraid or shocked.
the best way is to make a diary book and when you wake up write down whatever you remember! even a word. that will make your future dreams more vivid and help you to remember them more easily! try to review your book every weak!
I had LD when I tried to write down my dreams It's real fun and fascinating! Let me tell one of my LDs its fun

Alas a diary will not help, I can remember no dreams at all. None, no details. I know I dream, as I have REM and get awakened on occasion by what I assume are nightmares, but the content is a mystery.

The last dream I remember is my lucid dream. I was maybe five, maybe younger. It's one of my earliest memories. I had been suffering for days with what might be called nowadays 'night terrors' as I'd have nightmares of falling or monsters or other vivid nightmares to the point I didn't want to go to sleep. Well, one night I had a dream that was not a nightmare... except I suddenly realized I was dreaming. In the dream I was at my grandmothers house with many relatives, and for some reason I knew I had to not let them know I knew it was a dream. Or bad things would happen. Things got very freaky very fast and soon I locked myself in the bathroom, in fear like I'd not known before in dreams. Because, I feared the only way I could be 'stuck' in a dream was because I had died in my sleep. Scary stuff for a little kid. I tried many methods to try to 'wake' myself, with a commotion outside the door getting worse. Finally, blinking my eyes hard did the 'trick' and I woke up. Similar to my projection, eh? One thing I learned is I dream not in color or in B&W but in sepia-tone.

Ever since, I've not remembered very much at all from dreams, but the nightmares stopped. It was some kind of mental defense mechanism.

 

[Zardoz]

No, not on your imagination, but rather such beliefs have a great impact on your experience! The difficulty here is that you cannot possibly appreciate the role your own imagination plays in such experiences. Stoked by the flames of your imagination your concepts of so-called “good and evil” can take on a reality that you may not be prepared for. THAT is the point I am trying to get across. I do not mean to denigrate you value-judgments, but rather, I am trying to inform you that they can have unexpected consequences in an environment that molds itself to those beliefs. I hope that is clear...

...I don't expect you get it now! Entering the Astral and discovering it is the first step and it needs nothing,no morals no religious or nonreligious beliefs no nothing!
but when you understand the Astral and get it right it's the most important part.You can just use it as an entertainment or journey. or Use it as a teacher to grow your soul and understand more from God and it's creations.It's your choice.It's like a big store containing everything you can imagine.Guns,killing machines, books,farms,drugstore and so on.You're the one who chooses what to use and what is good to pick. That's the part moral comes in.You can pick a gun and go exploding those bad ones in the lower Astral and have fun or pick a book from the Akashic Record(a place that contains the past ,present and future of everything but with symbolic writings) and see what you want to see...

...That's a real danger! stop drawing lines or you will stuck!!
Deciding where to draw the lines and divide Good and Bad is not that easy especially in the Astral.That's why I suggest you meditate religiously for years before deciding.Anyway I talked about Morals because it will be in use after projecting many times.Using it for the first times will ruin your experience but using it after you get use to The Astral is a good choice,that's what I believe...

...Exactly.My Moral is based on Empathy and compassion.these are the fuels.Beliefs is the engine that consumes compassion to go forward. I guess we are both saying one thing here!

From what I understand, this is correct. Your astral 'universe' is what you make of it, pretty much unhindered by outside influences. Eventually you are able to venture outside your own little 'construct' into regions that are not controlled by you, but even there you will only see what you are prepared to see, ready to see.

Personally I am unsure whether or not the Astral is the true spiritual realm or a intermediary realm between the physical and spiritual, but I feel it may be more complex than that simple division.