Can all religions settle their diffrences?

[balloonbasket]

Just because we debate over concepts doesn't mean we do not recognize the right of another person to believe what they believe and practice what they practice. It is not my place to demand that someone believe/behave in a certain way. All I can do is use those legal methods of persuasion which are offered to me in attempt to get others to see the world in the way that is optimal for each and every human individual.

I think I know what you are saying. Debate is one thing, war is another. Terrorist groups another again. I'm interested to see if the hate between Jews, Christians and Muslims is as great as the media makes out?
It seems it is.

 

[balloonbasket]

Can all religions settle their diffrences?
No ... not as long as the ego-centric mind dominates. The problem is not people, its the very idea of religious exclusivity that people so dearly cling to ...

So why can't people cling to their own religion and let others cling to theirs? I believe most church (etc) goers are not too bothered about arguing or fighting with other religious people. I'm talking your everyday follower. But some religions are pushing thier beliefs on others and then we come into comflict. This has to change.

 

[balloonbasket]

What do you mean by "acknowledge"? Are you suggesting peaceful co-existance or some kind of compromise in beliefs?

Peaceful co-existance or course, and to get this I think you are quite right, there would have to be some compromise.
I'm not suggesting religions intergrate at all, each unto their own. Seems that some pretty basic changes would have to be made in the teaching of some religions which would cut out the need for extremists. But maybe that's the point certain ingredients have been added to some religions to get the 'word' out there.

 

[TheKnight]

I think I know what you are saying. Debate is one thing, war is another. Terrorist groups another again. I'm interested to see if the hate between Jews, Christians and Muslims is as great as the media makes out?
It seems it is.

It's not. For one, Jews don't have a religious hatred of the other two religions. I won't say there is no hatred among Zionists for those who would harm Israel (because there certainly is). However, that hatred is not related to religion nor is it founded by religion. I believe this is the case with any of the 3 Abrahamic religions.

The only exception might be Christians because I know that the NT says some pretty terrible thing about the Jews. In general though, I think any hatred between adherents to these faiths is due to past actions.

IE:
1. Jews hate Christians because Christians killed millions of Jews.
2. Muslims hate Jews because they expelled them from their homes.
3. Christians hate Jews because the Jews killed Jesus.


However, none of these things are inherently related to the religion of the people who have hatred for one another....

 

[balloonbasket]

Judaism is not fighting Islam. Israelis are fighting Arabs because of the fact that Arabs are shooting rockets into Israel and shedding Israeli blood.



In many cases, Jews and Muslims do get along. Religiously, Muslims are not considered heretics at all. Jewish sources almost unanimously hold that Muslims worship the same God as the Jews and that the Muslim religion is not in violation of the Noahide laws.

The fighting taking place right now goes back a lot further and it is to do with a Jewish homeland. But I'm not trying to argue that point at all. And if i'm wrong on this point that's fine. There is a lot of hostility between certain faiths, and a lot of atheists are hostile to any form of religion. I'd like to see a live and let live policy for all.
Your second paragraph is an education for me, for I am no theologian. I live in Britain and their are radicule groups here who express a lot of hatred for anything non-muslim. We also have the terrorist threat from some muslims. (Rightly or wrongly, that's not something I want to debate.)

 

[balloonbasket]

It's not. For one, Jews don't have a religious hatred of the other two religions. I won't say there is no hatred among Zionists for those who would harm Israel (because there certainly is). However, that hatred is not related to religion nor is it founded by religion. I believe this is the case with any of the 3 Abrahamic religions.

The only exception might be Christians because I know that the NT says some pretty terrible thing about the Jews. In general though, I think any hatred between adherents to these faiths is due to past actions.

IE:
1. Jews hate Christians because Christians killed millions of Jews.
2. Muslims hate Jews because they expelled them from their homes.
3. Christians hate Jews because the Jews killed Jesus.


However, none of these things are inherently related to the religion of the people who have hatred for one another....

Your last line. How about I put it this way. A lot of the fighting is done in the name or religion.

 

[TheKnight]

The fighting taking place right now goes back a lot further and it is to do with a Jewish homeland. But I'm not trying to argue that point at all. And if i'm wrong on this point that's fine. There is a lot of hostility between certain faiths, and a lot of atheists are hostile to any form of religion. I'd like to see a live and let live policy for all.
Your second paragraph is an education for me, for I am no theologian. I live in Britain and their are radicule groups here who express a lot of hatred for anything non-muslim. We also have the terrorist threat from some muslims. (Rightly or wrongly, that's not something I want to debate.)

I think it's best for us all to simply remember that religions are composed of people and people are not perfect. So it's bound to happen that you'll have things done in the name of religion that don't accurately reflect the ideals of that religion.

 

[balloonbasket]

What I'm trying to get to the heart of is can, let's say right now, a normal everyday Jew, christian or muslim sit down together and just have a normal everyday conversation with no hate on anyside?
Is it just the extremists and fundamentalists that are at the route of the troubles in the middle east or would everyday worshippers have issues with each others diffrences of religion?
Would every day Jews, muslims or christians in America or anywhere outside the middle each have issues with one another?

 

[TheKnight]

What I'm trying to get to the heart of is can, let's say right now, a normal everyday Jew, christian or muslim sit down together and just have a normal everyday conversation with no hate on anyside?
Is it just the extremists and fundamentalists that are at the route of the troubles in the middle east or would everyday worshippers have issues with each others diffrences of religion?
Would every day Jews, muslims or christians in America or anywhere outside the middle each have issues with one another?

Of course they could. It happens all the time.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Your last line. How about I put it this way. A lot of the fighting is done in the name or religion.

A lot of fighting gets blamed on religion by non-religious people convinced that religion poisons everything.

If there were no religion, the same struggles would be there... fight over land, resources, power, freedom, etc...

 

[HipHopAvenger]

What would it take for all religions that will not acknowledge one another to change this and be at peace.
Why are there fanatics? Why wars over religion? Surely this is not right?
How could we stop this?

Becuase the doctrinal and spiritual differencies are too vast.

BTW:When I would believe that there is Devil the Great Deceiver, but I do not, I would also think that it could be its big goal to let people fighting against each other. To speak to them that their truth is the real one. To play with them. To keep them in the way that they see more than others...etc.

The fanatics can be even useful for us, that we stay alert. That we are not out of danger of being killed just right away. But I must also say that new-born child is not fanatical. Fanaticism is formed by society where the child lives mostly. But I would ask which type of fanaticism you mean. Can you tell me?

Some of such wars were only led in the name of religion. But those which were led in name of the "holy" truth brought hatred and killing among people.
Just because of differencies and the idea that some people can be worthier.

I cannot say whether it is right or not. But for me, personally, it means that things should take a way of universe. One star is destroyed and another is born.

There is no way to stop it. The equilibrium is a good way to put it. Death and live, hatred and love, fire and water.

Good Day.

 

[Riverwolf]

I hope you are wrong on this. But if people stay apathetic then you will probably be proved right. I'm hoping people will not stay apothetic.

It is human nature to desire some sort of conflict. After all, our recreations all feature conflict of some sort, whether in stories, sports, or games.

Even if we stop killing each other over God-concepts (or lack thereof), we'll start killing each other over something else. It's just who we are. In my opinion, we need to come to grips with THAT before we can have "peace."

 

[Riverwolf]

I think I know what you are saying. Debate is one thing, war is another. Terrorist groups another again. I'm interested to see if the hate between Jews, Christians and Muslims is as great as the media makes out?
It seems it is.

If you live where I live, you'd see that Muslims, for the most part, get along just fine with everybody else. (Muslim women are easy to pick out because of the head-scarf.)

Most of the hate is solely on the political level.

 

[Riverwolf]

Differences can be settled once this verse from the Rig Veda is fully known and understood:

"The wise speak of what is One in many ways."
-(Rig Veda 1:164:46)

 

[balloonbasket]

Of course they could. It happens all the time.

It does? Where would this take place? Would a Jew go inside a mosque, or a muslin inside a synagog?

 

[balloonbasket]

A lot of fighting gets blamed on religion by non-religious people convinced that religion poisons everything.

If there were no religion, the same struggles would be there... fight over land, resources, power, freedom, etc...

Do you, as a Jew, have an issues with muslims or christians? Would you go inside a church or mosque?

 

[Harmonious]

Do you, as a Jew, have an issues with muslims or christians?

Not at all. Many Muslims and Christians of my acquaintance are REALLY good people.

Would you go inside a church or mosque?

A church? No. A Mosque? Been there, and done that.

There is nothing in a mosque which offends my religious sensibilities. I've prayed in Ma'arat Hamachpela, in Chevron. We drew a partition down the middle, and the men prayed on one side, and the women prayed on the other.

The crosses and statuary, and other religious artwork in many churches DO, so I would never enter them.

But that doesn't mean that I can't be friends with any number of people.

 

[Riverwolf]

The crosses and statuary, and other religious artwork in many churches DO, so I would never enter them.

Would you enter a church that didn't have any artwork, crosses, and statues?

 

[TheKnight]

It does? Where would this take place? Would a Jew go inside a mosque, or a muslin inside a synagog?

Well, when I was a Christian and our church would have meetings regarding how we could improve our community, there would be Orthodox Jews and Imams there. This may be because our church doesn't have any religious symbols inside the sanctuary and therefore it's not all that bad for an Orthodox Jew to go into our church...In fact, there is only one religious symbol anywhere in our church and it's a cross that is on the top of the sign in front of the church (which isn't even attached to the church)...

I would imagine, simply from experience, that it happens all the time that Jews, Muslims, and Christians can come together to have discussions.

 

[balloonbasket]

Becuase the doctrinal and spiritual differencies are too vast.

BTW:When I would believe that there is Devil the Great Deceiver, but I do not, I would also think that it could be its big goal to let people fighting against each other. To speak to them that their truth is the real one. To play with them. To keep them in the way that they see more than others...etc.

The fanatics can be even useful for us, that we stay alert. That we are not out of danger of being killed just right away. But I must also say that new-born child is not fanatical. Fanaticism is formed by society where the child lives mostly. But I would ask which type of fanaticism you mean. Can you tell me?

Some of such wars were only led in the name of religion. But those which were led in name of the "holy" truth brought hatred and killing among people.
Just because of differencies and the idea that some people can be worthier.

I cannot say whether it is right or not. But for me, personally, it means that things should take a way of universe. One star is destroyed and another is born.

There is no way to stop it. The equilibrium is a good way to put it. Death and live, hatred and love, fire and water.

Good Day.

I can't really accept your first paragraph. I think the spiritual diffrences are due entirely to location. An Israeli Jew if born in Iraq would no doubt be muslim and the other way around.
I don't believe some great Devil is behind the current situation in the middle east. (Although I think you said you don't either?) Unless you mean politics?
I mean the 'i want to kill people in the name of Allah' kind of fanaticism that we are experiencing at the moment. The terrorist attacks, or threats of. (That's not to put all the blame on muslims of course, the christians did go on their crusades, but im being more current.) Yes, i'm talking about wars in the name of the 'holy' truth, as you put it. Of which I confess I have little understanding.

Now why do you say 'there is no way to stop it?'. Share your view on that.
You have a good day too.