Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
So does that mean that Jesus Christ (a) doesn't have a body or (b) is not God?
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The Trinity
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herushura
Active Member
God in hebrew is "El" that means Most High
Spirit in Hebrew is "Rauch" that means Wind/Movement
Christ in hebrew means "Messaih that means Cleans/water
Jesus in hebrew means "y'shu" that means Air, Shu is god of air
Jesus-Jeus-Jeu = Sky aka Most High, for the true meaning of Jesus, just take away the two S's in jesus. Jeu = Sky.
Jupiter/Cronus/Uranus- which infact are all one and the same like son,father,holyspirit.
Zeus=Jesus * Jupiter is a Sky God
Uranus=Father - Uranus is a Heaven God, Most High God
Cronus=Holy Spirit - Cronus god of time, movement thus wind and spirit.
Zeus(jesus) is son of Cronus(holyspirit) who is son of uranus,
Zeus(jesus) is then the son of Uranus(father).
Zeus/cronus/uranus are trinitarian sun gods
Shive=Holy Spirit=Cronus=Saturn=Enki=EA=yahwah=Geb Earth *Earth Element
Vishnu=Jesus=Jupiter=zeus=Ellil=elohim=Ptah=Allah Heaven "Sun, * Fire Element
brahma=Father=Uranus=Anu=Amon Creation * Water Element
Adam,Man,animals,alulim,adamu,adapa * Air Element
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herushura
Active Member
The Word Christ is related to Water.
God in hebrew is EL meaning most High/sky.
So you saying the Sky came down to us as Water throught the Air.
Spirit is hebrew is Rauch meaning Air.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
That's all very interesting, but it doesn't even begin to address my simple yes/no question.
Ron_WT
Preacher
"herushura" I believed summed it up perfectly.
"Jupiter/Cronus/Uranus- which infact are all one and the same like son,father,holyspirit.
Zeus=Jesus * Jupiter is a Sky God
Uranus=Father - Uranus is a Heaven God, Most High God
Cronus=Holy Spirit - Cronus god of time, movement thus wind and spirit.
Zeus(jesus) is son of Cronus(holyspirit) who is son of uranus,
Zeus(jesus) is then the son of Uranus(father).
Zeus/cronus/uranus are trinitarian sun gods"
This is exactly how the trinity was devised or how it was implemented. It is unless I am wrong a Greek idea this idea may even date back further into Babylonians but I am unsure of this but nevertheless was actually before Christ and doesn't appear in the bible. Certain christian religions made what was understood as bridges for paganism it was easier to convert the pagan (rather than kill them) into Christianity. If the pagan had beliefs in which to hold on to the conversion process was so much easier. Thus we have many idea's today in Christianity that emulate pagan belief structures. Again this was used as a means to obtain new pagan members into the Christian church for conversion purposes. The reason was for wealth there's only so much killing and robing a religion can do before the realization sets in that your killing potential future income.
Myself I belong to no religion. I do not believe in the christian trinity because it's proposes are as stated above. Why would you believe in it unless at one time you were pagan and needed this bridge to accept Christianity into your life.
It's strange how things were done in the past without any thought of the future those who implemented this dogma did so as a means to justify an immediate need. (money) But never realized I don't think how you take it back after you gain what you need. After gathering and converting all those pagans they couldn't exactly come out and say "Hey, we were just joking it really is not like what we said." So if you cannot do that what do you do but lie some more.
Yet another reason I belong to no religion.
"Jupiter/Cronus/Uranus- which infact are all one and the same like son,father,holyspirit.
Zeus=Jesus * Jupiter is a Sky God
Uranus=Father - Uranus is a Heaven God, Most High God
Cronus=Holy Spirit - Cronus god of time, movement thus wind and spirit.
Zeus(jesus) is son of Cronus(holyspirit) who is son of uranus,
Zeus(jesus) is then the son of Uranus(father).
Zeus/cronus/uranus are trinitarian sun gods"
This is exactly how the trinity was devised or how it was implemented. It is unless I am wrong a Greek idea this idea may even date back further into Babylonians but I am unsure of this but nevertheless was actually before Christ and doesn't appear in the bible. Certain christian religions made what was understood as bridges for paganism it was easier to convert the pagan (rather than kill them) into Christianity. If the pagan had beliefs in which to hold on to the conversion process was so much easier. Thus we have many idea's today in Christianity that emulate pagan belief structures. Again this was used as a means to obtain new pagan members into the Christian church for conversion purposes. The reason was for wealth there's only so much killing and robing a religion can do before the realization sets in that your killing potential future income.
Myself I belong to no religion. I do not believe in the christian trinity because it's proposes are as stated above. Why would you believe in it unless at one time you were pagan and needed this bridge to accept Christianity into your life.
It's strange how things were done in the past without any thought of the future those who implemented this dogma did so as a means to justify an immediate need. (money) But never realized I don't think how you take it back after you gain what you need. After gathering and converting all those pagans they couldn't exactly come out and say "Hey, we were just joking it really is not like what we said." So if you cannot do that what do you do but lie some more.
Yet another reason I belong to no religion.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Well, that makes a whole lot of sense. Men decide who God is and then they make it happen.
I can't think of a better reason that that.
I really don't see how money enters in, but I would agree that the doctrine was decided upon as a means to justify a need -- unifying the Roman Empire under Constantine. You get a majority rule and the matter is forever closed. Too bad.
That is mine,too. Beautifully put. My denomination is Presbyterian.
Man, I bet that was a rude suprise for all of the apostles and believers who died horrible deaths as martyrs... wonder if they were thinking "Maybe a new religion wasn't such a good money scheme" when they were nailed to crosses, or axed to death, or beheaded, or stoned, or thrown off of buildings, or burned in ovens...
Arch-Angel
The voice of one crying
i believe in the Trinity. I cannot speak for all those who say there is or isn't based only on our ideas, the authority on this comes from scripture, all authority on any topic of God the Father's testimony to us is by scripture alone, not from us. but to satisfy your above questions i go to a baptist church but would not really claim to be baptist, i am a follower of Jesus Christ, and if the church meets the criteria in the bible i will go to that church....so if it's Calvary, Baptist or whatever i always follow scripture and not man's idea of God, the church i attend must align with scripture.
so this is why people say that there is Three or that there is One God of the Bible. it is not contained in a single scripture but throughout the bible you can see the Triune God working. Since God's word cannot be broken, all of scripture is true and there is a Triune God. hard to even fathom i know but that is what it says. for me this is perfectly understandable to not be able to comprehend the vastness of God, if i could completely fathom Him there wouldn't be any reason to worship Him.
God establishes that He is One God, there is no other Gods.
Here at the 6th day we see God affirming a plural form when creating man(he didn't do so with any other creation), so even if you do not believe in the Trinity, you must acknowledge at least two.
Here scripture says that the Spirit of God is the creator and breathed the breath of life.
Here we see how the Apostle John writes concerning Jesus the creator of the universe. so we have 1) God the Father the Creator, 2) the Spirit of God as Creator, 3) and Jesus Christ as the Creator.
so this is why people say that there is Three or that there is One God of the Bible. it is not contained in a single scripture but throughout the bible you can see the Triune God working. Since God's word cannot be broken, all of scripture is true and there is a Triune God. hard to even fathom i know but that is what it says. for me this is perfectly understandable to not be able to comprehend the vastness of God, if i could completely fathom Him there wouldn't be any reason to worship Him.
This is a good web site on comparing scripture of Jesus's Deity.
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herushura
Active Member
When bible talk about Earth, they are taking about a piece of land, not the entire planet.
God establishes that He is One God, there is no other Gods.
If there is only one god, why does the bible talk of the "Elohim" Elohim is a plural.
infact throughout the bible, God is a diffrent form, they not all the same, in genesis he is a creation god, in exodus he is a jealous fire god, in new testements he is ma water god.
The Elohim, directy means all the caanan gods,
EL
Elyon
hadad
adon
anat
arsu
asherah
astarte
atargatis
azizos
The ba'als
ba'alat gebal
berith
dagon
eshmun
kubaba
liluri
manuzi
mot
shaddai
salem
yahweh
yam
yarikh
Arch-Angel
The voice of one crying
you are saying that earth is only section of land in the bible, you would have to read the passage within the context it was written. earth can mean ground, area or planet....it all depends on the context used and you didn't give an example.
i think your arguing in favor of my point.
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
Isaiah says that God I absolutely One without an equal. And that God was alone when He
stretched out the heavens and no one was with HIm. (Isa. 44:24; 46:5) Therefore, there
is no place for the Christian Trinity.
Ben
stretched out the heavens and no one was with HIm. (Isa. 44:24; 46:5) Therefore, there
is no place for the Christian Trinity.
Ben
Arch-Angel
The voice of one crying
that is why we say Triune, not three separate gods but One God in three distinctive personalities that have their own characteristics and are yet united as One in the same Person. you can see this in the plural form of speaking of Himself as i had shown in Genisis and in the book of John.
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
I am Jewish, and according to Judaism, God is absolutely One; not two or three.
Therefore, no Trinity. I have a very interesting thread about this topic. It comes
under the title, "Why Elohim if God is Absolutely One?" It might be of interest to
you to venture a reading.
Ben
Arch-Angel
The voice of one crying
then how do you deal with the pluralism of the beginning of man?
in the text of verse 26 He speaks in plural form to create man, in 27 He said that He singularly made man, if God's word is infallible and cannot be broken, then how do you still conclude that God is still One without any other when He says "Let Us make"? the concept of a plural God that was One is not just new testament only, it stems from the old testament but wasn't fully understood til Jesus arrived.
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
Let me start this one by telling you that the account of Creation in Genesis is an allegory. The whole account of Creation. This is the first thing to brush away any
literal interpretation. The second, and more important than the first is that God is incorporeal. There is no image or form in incorporeality. Jesus himself said that
God is pure Spirit and that the only way to relate to "Him" is in a spiritual manner. (John 4:24)
Now, based on the above two axioms, we can comfortably state that the sacred writer was either using majestic plurality or referring to God's attributes that went
into the creation of man, which differed from the creation of the irrational animals. That's why the expression is used only of man.
Ben :clap
Arch-Angel
The voice of one crying
i do take Genesis literally, what makes you not take it literally? i'll take God's Word for it. if you are taking it any other way you must denounce the references it has in later books as well.
i never said that God had endowed us with His form or even make reference to such a thing. i gave the verse, that is what you are contending with, not me but God's Word. the reference in Genesis is to having a conscience, having a will and being capable of love. these are instilled in us and are medically unprovable.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Pardon me, but if you don't believe that God created man "in His image, after His likeness," then you really don't take Genesis literally. If you try to apply some symbolic or figurative interpretation to the words "image" and "likeness," then you are guilty of doing the very thing you have accused Ben of doing. If you interpret "image" to mean anything other than the representation of physical appearance or qualities, please give me an example of the word used in a sentence.
Arch-Angel
The voice of one crying
no, i've compared scripture with scripture, who reads the beginning of a book without finishing through to the end to find out if what it says makes sense?
the bible does not describe Cain or Abel this way even though both were also Adams sons, it is not about likeness of physical appearance.