Is there a "religion" which........

[Dream Angel]

believes in "God", but is more relaxed for lack of a better word....

I know its a strange question, but I am curious! My issue is, I (at times) disagree with many of the things the bible teaches and the ways of some faiths. Maybe this is just because it is hard to break old habits as the old saying goes, and it is me being greedy perhaps...but I am still working this one out....hence the title "confused".

My point is even if I was decide I don't believe in God for definite, I still think that there is something out there which is greater than us, and which we have no understanding. The answers to the universe as it were. How everything started....I am not a big fan of the big bang theory as the big bang would have needed a cause...

Just wondering if there was any "religions" (I am saying that as I don't know what to call it, teachings? beliefs? perhaps!) which do not believe in the traditional God and ways but instead believe in something greater and embrace the modern world (gays etc)

Does that make sense????

 

[Wandered Off]

You may want to check into pantheism, panentheism, or deism. All are somewhat along the lines you mention.

 

[ChristineES]

There are other faiths outside of Judea-Christianity. Maybe you could look into those. As far as I know, there are hundreds, thousands, and even millions of types of faiths.
(There are some Christian denominations that do embrace gays, btw )

 

[Heneni]

I understand the need to want to find a church that will be more suitable to your own way of thinking....its natural to want to group together with others that are like minded. I suspect, the tradisional god is way to controlling for you. You are an independant thinker. You are willing to believe that there is a deity out there, you are just not willing to be controlled by him. You would rather be in control of you own life. Im sure you find a suitable religion soon.

If I may ask...what do you disagree with in the bible? Or the church?

 

[Dream Angel]

I understand the need to want to find a church that will be more suitable to your own way of thinking....its natural to want to group together with others that are like minded. I suspect, the tradisional god is way to controlling for you. You are an independant thinker. You are willing to believe that there is a deity out there, you are just not willing to be controlled by him. You would rather be in control of you own life. Im sure you find a suitable religion soon.

If I may ask...what do you disagree with in the bible? Or the church?

I couldnt have explained it better myself!

Of course you can ask....to be honest I have never read the bible and do not know it very well. I am going by what I have heard and others understanding of it. For example, gay marriages, the death sentence, the way God commands people to be killed etc. Hmmm...other points which are not related to the bible, but to churches, The LDS Church - I had issues with the tithing and the undergarments idea when you went through the temple (to be honest, that is probably me being used to one way of life already! I dont Know for sure though! lol). To other christian churches - The Trinity idea. (Though as another thread I have started says, i am confused as to what exactly each denomination believes). There are other things, but I cant think of them right now! lol!

 

[Dream Angel]

You may want to check into pantheism, panentheism, or deism. All are somewhat along the lines you mention.

What is pantheism and panentheism? Never heard of them......

 

[Wandered Off]

From the mighty wiki:

Pantheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Panentheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pandeism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Heneni]

I couldnt have explained it better myself!

Of course you can ask....to be honest I have never read the bible and do not know it very well. I am going by what I have heard and others understanding of it. For example, gay marriages, the death sentence, the way God commands people to be killed etc. Hmmm...other points which are not related to the bible, but to churches, The LDS Church - I had issues with the tithing and the undergarments idea when you went through the temple (to be honest, that is probably me being used to one way of life already! I dont Know for sure though! lol). To other christian churches - The Trinity idea. (Though as another thread I have started says, i am confused as to what exactly each denomination believes). There are other things, but I cant think of them right now! lol!

I hit it on the nail did I? Sweety...it is my heartfelt wish , that you dont give up on searching for the truth.

Heneni

 

[AK4]

believes in "God", but is more relaxed for lack of a better word....

I know its a strange question, but I am curious! My issue is, I (at times) disagree with many of the things the bible teaches and the ways of some faiths. Maybe this is just because it is hard to break old habits as the old saying goes, and it is me being greedy perhaps...but I am still working this one out....hence the title "confused".

My point is even if I was decide I don't believe in God for definite, I still think that there is something out there which is greater than us, and which we have no understanding. The answers to the universe as it were. How everything started....I am not a big fan of the big bang theory as the big bang would have needed a cause...

Just wondering if there was any "religions" (I am saying that as I don't know what to call it, teachings? beliefs? perhaps!) which do not believe in the traditional God and ways but instead believe in something greater and embrace the modern world (gays etc)

Does that make sense????

What you have learned in these "traditional churches" is wrong! They are greedy, liars, fear mongers and distorters of Truth and God tells His people to "Come out of Her", these churches. The real God of the bible is all about Love. Yes Hes strict and He is not relaxed but it is not that hard if you let Him lead your life. God has to give you spiritual eyes and ears to understand His Word. Theres no other way. You can read the bible over and over and never know anything until He gives you understanding.

If you really want to know the real God and His Son, Jesus i can help you with what God has given me.

 

[AK4]

I couldnt have explained it better myself!

Of course you can ask....to be honest I have never read the bible and do not know it very well. I am going by what I have heard and others understanding of it. For example, gay marriages, the death sentence, the way God commands people to be killed etc. Hmmm...other points which are not related to the bible, but to churches, The LDS Church - I had issues with the tithing and the undergarments idea when you went through the temple (to be honest, that is probably me being used to one way of life already! I dont Know for sure though! lol). To other christian churches - The Trinity idea. (Though as another thread I have started says, i am confused as to what exactly each denomination believes). There are other things, but I cant think of them right now! lol!

Here is just some of the doctrines that are not scriptural

Trinity
FREE WILL
HELL
TITHING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
TEN SECOND PRAYER AND THEN YOURE SAVED
ETC., ETC., ETC.,

and heres a little treat

I found this by Mike Miller at his site. Thought it was pretty good.

Traditional Christian Doubletalk

What Traditional Christians Say… What They Really Mean…
“There’s nothing you must do to be saved……” “Here’s what you must do to be saved:”
“You are absolutely, totally helpless to save yourself.” “You must make a wise decision in order to be saved.”
“God controls all things.” “God doesn’t control man’s free will.”
“We can’t boast about going to heaven.” “If we go to hell, it’s our own fault.”
“Love never faileth!” “Love can’t overcome human stubbornness.”
“Men are in bondage to sin.” “Men are free to choose Christ.”
“Grace is unmerited favor…” “… given only to those who merit it with faith and obedience.”
“GOD IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MANKIND (1 Tim. 4:10)…” “… except for about ninety percent of them.”
“GOD’S LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL…” “… as long as you meet certain conditions.”
“GOD’S WILL IS UNOPPOSABLE…” “… except by the sinner.”
“Salvation is not a thing of chance.” “There is no second chance to be saved.”
“WE HAVE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU!” “Most of mankind will perish forever.”
“GOD LOVES YOU!” “… as long as you love Him.”
“Christ died for all sin…” “… except the sin of not believing that He died for all sin.”
“The Good Shepherd seeks the lost sheep until he finds it!” “The Good Shepherd seeks until it’s too late.”
“God’s justice was satisfied in the cross of Christ.” “God’s justice demands eternal torment or annihilation.”
Mike Miller, truth-over-tradition.com

I believe in the ORIGINAL WORD OF GOD, not these faulty and biased translations and pastors.

Hope this helps

In Jesus,

Anthony

 

[Surya Deva]

Hi Dream Angel,


Yes, there is one religion I know of that has a 'relaxed' concept of god and does not discriminate against anyone: It is called Hinduism. Hindu's believe in supreme being who is transcedent and who is the source of all beings and is within and outside of everything and everybody. He is infinite love, knowledge, existence, beauty. As he is the being of everybody, everbody is considered to be divine and pure at their core, eternal spraks of that supreme being, a part of him and he a part of us. That supreme being as infinite love loves his souls equally and dearly and does not judge anybody. He accepts them just as they are.

It does not matter what mistakes you make, who you are, that supreme being loves all as his own.

Therefore because Hinduism has such a universal and accepting philosophy it embraces all, including gays, people from other religions etc etc

It fully embraces the modern world because it has no conflicts with it. It, itself being based on scientific reasoning, full endorses science and nothing within it contradicts science. It supports freedom and self fulfilment for everybody; it supports democracy. It supports enviromentalism and animal rights. It supports feminism. It supports global family. It is fully in-tune with the 21st century.

Read my threads, "A Case for Hinduism" and "Hinduism: Mission statement" for more details.

 

[blackout]

I think that probably Dream Angel needs to ask herself
if she thinks/believes that Jesus is himself (one with?) GOD
in some kind of way that is unaccessable to all others.

Also.... is the bible some kind of a reliable source of truth?
and if so ..... who is to discern it's interpretation?
and how.

Depending on your answers to these two questions,
you can probably rule in or out
"traditional" (worship Jesus) christianity,
or
Gnostic Christianity...
which is a much less literal interpretation,
the Christ within us all...
the Kingdom of God within...
and self guided interpretation.

If you do not see the christian bible as some kind of reliable basis
of unarguable truth however...
I would rather think the whole Jesus thing....well....
can't stand as a sole & total basis for your religion either.

 

[AK4]

I think that probably Dream Angel needs to ask herself
if she thinks/believes that Jesus is himself (one with?) GOD
in some kind of way that is unaccessable to all others.

Also.... is the bible some kind of a reliable source of truth?
and if so ..... who is to discern it's interpretation?
and how.

Depending on your answers to these two questions,
you can probably rule in or out
"traditional" (worship Jesus) christianity,
or
Gnostic Christianity...
which is a much less literal interpretation,
the Christ within us all...
the Kingdom of God within...
and self guided interpretation.

If you do not see the christian bible as some kind of reliable basis
of unarguable truth however...
I would rather think the whole Jesus thing....well....
can't stand as a sole & total basis for your religion either.

The original hebrew and greek scriptures are very reliable and do not contradict. There are bad and biased translations out there, but the original Word is so glorious.

 

[methylatedghosts]

Do a bit of reading about other religions, read a little more in depth on the ones that spark your interest. Take bits from everything that you like and make your own worldview and call it "Dream Angelism"

 

[blackout]

The original hebrew and greek scriptures are very reliable and do not contradict. There are bad and biased translations out there, but the original Word is so glorious.

Do you think God could have been a little more accomodating then?
for all the masses of millions who do not speak or read hebrew or greek?

Especially considering how important it (supposedly) is?

 

[AK4]

Do you think God could have been a little more accomodating then?
for all the masses of millions who do not speak or read hebrew or greek?

Especially considering how important it (supposedly) is?

His Word has been translated in almost every language if not all. Some are decent or bad or maybe good translation, but which ever it is we are reading we are to search for that precious pearl or hidden treasure

Matthew 13:44-52 44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. 45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
His Word isnt supposed to be an easy read, you are supposed to search and search through the Word using

Isa 28:13 - But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

 

[Heneni]

I never DID get church shopping...

 

[blackout]

His Word has been translated in almost every language if not all. Some are decent or bad or maybe good translation, but which ever it is we are reading we are to search for that precious pearl or hidden treasure

Matthew 13:44-52 44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. 45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
His Word isnt supposed to be an easy read, you are supposed to search and search through the Word using

Isa 28:13 - But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

I for one love the parables of Y'shua.
And most of all I love his Kingdom teachings.

As far as I'm concerned,
I could throw out the whole bible ...
and just keep the parables and the kingdom teachings
and the song of songs (solomon)
and do away with the rest.

Well I rather like revelation imagery and Daniel for my own personal reasons.

Point being, it's just a book.

You can't proove the "divinity" of a book
because "it says so".
It's a circular notion.

I am convinced that if somehow we could get people who know
ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING about christianity...
and it's mainstream interpretation...
or ANY interpreatation at all...

If we could somehow convince them to read the whole thing
(as dreadfully boring and ludicrous as many parts of it are)...
and even if they read it with an open mind with no pre-concieved predjudice...
I find it IMPOSSIBLE to imagine that any one of them
would come up with an overall interpretation that looks/sounds
ANYTHING AT ALL like what we call chritianity.

It is the indoctrination of "christianity" that interprets your bible for you.
Even is you say no, I will not believe you unless you tell me
you read the whole thing cover to cover BEFORE anyone ever
"explained" jesus to you and cristianity.

Ditching prior in-doctrinaton is a MONUMENTAL task.
It must be done deliberately.... and takes years usually.

Your idea of truth will always be mixed in with what others have taught you.

I don't care what version of the bible you have.
You come to it with preconcieved notions,
and as well, there are a million ways to interpret a thing.

 

[Dream Angel]

I never DID get church shopping...

Hehehehehe

 

[Dream Angel]

Do a bit of reading about other religions, read a little more in depth on the ones that spark your interest. Take bits from everything that you like and make your own worldview and call it "Dream Angelism"

That is the best idea yet!!!!