Question for those who believe homosexuality is immoral.

[McBell]

That's because perversion has existed all throughout history. homosexuality, pedophilia, beastiality, ect... ect...

the real world does support my comon sense. It's those minor few who demand that it be accepted as "normal" that does not.

Now you are merely spouting nonsense for nonsense sake.

 

[Magic Man]

Again, we're not stopping you from doing whatever you want with your lovers. we just don't want it being called "marriage"... (it confuses the children)

That's fine, as long as gay couple who are [insert other term for married here] receive all of the same rights and benefits that married couples get. (And, no, it doesn't confuse the children. ) You can run your church any way you want, just not the government.

homosexuals have the same rights. they can marry someone of the opposite sex and raise a family just like every other heterosexual.

Nice try. You know as well as I do that that is a flimsy argument. You could specify anything that way. Before interracial marriage was allowed, you could say "black people have the same right to marry black people as white people have to marry white people". How about using the correct form in saying "homosexuals have the same right to marry any consenting human as heterosexuals do". That way your bias doesn't get in the way.

 

[Magic Man]

That's because perversion has existed all throughout history. homosexuality, pedophilia, beastiality, ect... ect...

Great. And what does that have to do with anything?

the real world does support my comon sense. It's those minor few who demand that it be accepted as "normal" that does not.

No one is saying it has to be viewed as a normal way to live for every person. We are only saying it is normal for some people. If you are born heterosexual, it would be normal for you to marry someone of the opposite sex. Likewise, if you are born homosexual, it would be normal for you to marry someone of the same sex as you.

 

[Autodidact]

I'm not making anti-gay posts. I'm clearly making bias posts from my own personal view. but not in a derogatory fashion.

Another interesting Tidbit is that Gay people can't handle it that other people won't accept thier lifestyle. or are outspoken about it.

An interesting tidbit about Mormons is that they can't handle it that other people won't accept their lifestyle. or are outspoken about it.

Not agreeing with something does not make one a Bigot. blatantly being rude to them and calling them names or treating them badly would be a Bigot.

Did someone call you a bigot, hatter, or are you a tad oversensitive? It's an interesting tidbit about anti-gay people that they can't handle it that other people won't accept their lifestyle. or are outspoken about it.

I;m not utterly intolerant, I just do not agree and will teach my kids how i feel best.

Me too. I don't mind that Mormons exist. I do think it's a bit much when they come knocking on my door trying to recruit, though.

Usually the first person to call someone a Bigot because of thier belief is a Bigot themselves.

Hmmm, interesting. And who here called anyone a bigot?

 

[Sententia]

That's because perversion has existed all throughout history. homosexuality, pedophilia, beastiality, ect... ect...

You are so not qualified to speak on the subject that it would make the baby jesus cry if I were prone to believe in such nonsense.

Should we start simple...

Why do you put these three sexually related topics together as if they are all wrong and are all peverted? Perhaps same sex sexuality is an aberrant sexual practice or interest for you... is it for everyone? No. This is your belief and is subjective to you.

You want to high horse and be strong in this subject so you can show how virtuous you are when really its just ignorance and blind hate.

How would you even put Child Sex and Same Sex Sex in the same sentence as if they are both as heinous?

You seriously have a problem. Hatred. Non accepatance. You disagree... Ahhh I see... So Imagine a gay person comes and reads your post... And they see you saying pedophelia and homosexuality are equally as heinous... how does it make that gay person feel?

You have no comprehension in this subject.

You are strictly regurgitating your religious views blindly. I hear no emotion and I see no thought.

You want to move onto complex... do ya? (See the ya... there... that should give you a clue.) But imagine you were a mormon living in Thailand.

 

[Tau]

How is there a difference? Pedophiles aren't always predators, there are hetrosexual predators as well as homosexual and pedophile predators.

If you don't know the difference then I do not wish to sully my keyboard by communicating with you.

Children are not adults, they are not fully developed, they are not responsible for their actions by law until they reach adulthood in most nations, they must be safeguarded from predators.

An active pedophile is always a predator, even if they don't actually violate children and perhaps only download/view sickening images, they are still encouraging child abuse and must be terminated..ooops ahem I mean 'helped'.

Anyone who thinks homosexuality is the same thing as pedophilia has a lot to learn.

If your beliefs are a reflection of your religion then your religion is dangerous.

 

[Tau]

My best friend was beaten half to death around two months ago for being 'a gay' he is a very slight effete young man, he is less physically able then most women regarding his ability to defend himself, he is one of the most sensitive and loving humans I have ever met, he was beaten to a bloody pulp by six men much larger than him, these filthy cowards are lower than dog's dirt, karma will catch up with them.

My friend was in a shop, just before the assault, buying a birthday gift for his boyfriend of two years, unfortunately I was not with him, he was with a girlfriend, but these animals noticed him.

What drives these attacks are surely partly grounded in the idiotic notions of 'perversion' expressed by some on this thread, my friend is not a pervert, those who attacked him will pay, one way or the other, no one hurts my friends and gets away with it, sorry just had to get that off my chest (again)

As my family motto says Nemo me impune lacessit...Provoke me not with impunity, the Empire will strike back...

I am not saying any individual here condones this kind of attack incidently.

 

[rheff78]

What would you do if one of your children (if you don't have any pretend you do for the sake of the question) came out and confessed to being homosexual? How would you react? Kick them out of the house? Disown them? Beat them with a belt?

Well, that all depends, were they "born" gay or did they "choose" to be gay?
(ha ha, born gay)

 

[Hexaqua_David(II)]

Well, that all depends, were they "born" gay or did they "choose" to be gay?
(ha ha, born gay)

Who chooses to be gay? =S I certainly never said "hmm, I think today I'm going to be attracted to guys!". I was just sat there one day watching a football game and noticed how proud and alluring Freddie Ljungberg's buttocks are. =D

 

[rheff78]

Who chooses to be gay? =S I certainly never said "hmm, I think today I'm going to be attracted to guys!". I was just sat there one day watching a football game and noticed how proud and alluring Freddie Ljungberg's buttocks are. =D

ahhhh, so you do think his butt is alluring? Who chooses to be gay? Well, IMHO, everyone who is gay. SOciety has made it morally acceptable to be gay, so our children see this, then it transfers to them. It's ok to be gay, look how they show them on TV and in the news, look how much fun it is to be gay. Sad fact of society.

 

[Magic Man]

Well, that all depends, were they "born" gay or did they "choose" to be gay?
(ha ha, born gay)

I take it this is your attempt to claim that no one is born gay, either that or you're saying that even if you're born gay, you can choose no to act on it. Either way, how would you react if your daughter came to you and said she was gay?

 

[rheff78]

I take it this is your attempt to claim that no one is born gay, either that or you're saying that even if you're born gay, you can choose no to act on it. Either way, how would you react if your daughter came to you and said she was gay?

TOugh call. In all honesty I don't know. I guess the old saying goes cross that bridge when/if we come to it. Just for the record, I would still love her and care for her, I'm not a heartless bas****. But, I would try to help her. IMHO I would think she is sick and thus try to seek a cure.

 

[Tau]

TOugh call. In all honesty I don't know. I guess the old saying goes cross that bridge when/if we come to it. Just for the record, I would still love her and care for her, I'm not a heartless bas****. But, I would try to help her. IMHO I would think she is sick and thus try to seek a cure.

Your child's sexuality is none of your business (when she is an adult)

You would help her best by not interfering or judging....it would be for the best for you too.

 

[Hexaqua_David(II)]

TOugh call. In all honesty I don't know. I guess the old saying goes cross that bridge when/if we come to it. Just for the record, I would still love her and care for her, I'm not a heartless bas****. But, I would try to help her. IMHO I would think she is sick and thus try to seek a cure.

How many times do you people have to be told that homosexuality is not a sickness? Sigh.

 

[Magic Man]

TOugh call. In all honesty I don't know. I guess the old saying goes cross that bridge when/if we come to it. Just for the record, I would still love her and care for her, I'm not a heartless bas****. But, I would try to help her. IMHO I would think she is sick and thus try to seek a cure.

Thanks for the straightforward answer. Follow-up question, if you're interested. At what point would you stop trying to fix her? As in, let's say she rejects your notion that it is immoral, and you take her to a psychiatrist, and she also talks to your priest. Is there a point where you would say "Well, I tried my best, but she'll just have to do things her way", and just accept that it's not going to change, and love her anyway?

 

[rheff78]

Thanks for the straightforward answer. Follow-up question, if you're interested. At what point would you stop trying to fix her? As in, let's say she rejects your notion that it is immoral, and you take her to a psychiatrist, and she also talks to your priest. Is there a point where you would say "Well, I tried my best, but she'll just have to do things her way", and just accept that it's not going to change, and love her anyway?

Well, like I said, I would always continue to love her. But I would never give up on her either. So to answer, I would not stop trying.

 

[rheff78]

How many times do you people have to be told that homosexuality is not a sickness? Sigh.

Take it to a different thread.

 

[rheff78]

Your child's sexuality is none of your business (when she is an adult)

You would help her best by not interfering or judging....it would be for the best for you too.

My child will never stop being my child. If I see her living an immoral life, then I will interfere.

 

[Magic Man]

Well, like I said, I would always continue to love her. But I would never give up on her either. So to answer, I would not stop trying.

OK, so you would never just accept her as a homosexual.

 

[rheff78]

OK, so you would never just accept her as a homosexual.

No, because I believe it's something that can be fixed.