Soul & NDE Research

[Cordoba]

Will Science and Religion eventually meet through NDE research?

What are the latest research findings in this very interesting field of research?

Does NDE research prove that humans are more than just a physical body?

As a start, this is a general brief on NDE from Wikipedia:

Near-death experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What do you think?

 

[meogi]

No, they are likely strong hallucinations; your brain releases large amounts of DMT when you die. Also, similar experiences can be created during 'blackouts' at extreme gravitational forces (such as those from Nasa's 20-G Centrifuge).

 

[michel]

Will Science and Religion eventually meet through NDE research?

I doubt it, there will never be what people would accept as proof.

 

[FFH]

NDE's are provable.

When they leave their bodies they see people doing and saying things. They later give an account of certain family members or friends actions and words, while they were yet temporarily "dead", having their near death experiences.

The person who experienced the NDE then gives an account of what they've seen and heard their friends, family or others say, like doctors and nurses, while they were out of their bodies.

Embraced By The Light: The Official Betty J. Eadie Web Site

Betty Eadie is an LDS (Mormon) member.

 

[FFH]

No, they are likely strong hallucinations; your brain releases large amounts of DMT when you die. Also, similar experiences can be created during 'blackouts' at extreme gravitational forces (such as those from Nasa's 20-G Centrifuge).

So can you explain how a temporarily "dead" person can give an account of another's actions and words spoken miles away from where they lay "dead" in a hospital, for instance ???

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I like to read up on NDE research, too. And fwiw, heaven/hell visions don't limit themselves to any one faith system or another. Atheists are just as likely to experience heavenly experiences as evangelical Christians are as likely to experience hellish ones.

 

[Cordoba]

An example of an NDE experiment is to put cue cards above the beds of patients in intensive care units who are in a critical condition and likely to suffer from cardiac arrest

These cue cards are placed high above the patient's bed facing upwards and can only be seen from the ceiling level looking downwards

If one of the patients does suffer from a cardiac arrest, and reaches a near death situation then is resucitated are returns back to consciousness and is able to identify what is on the cue card which no one else in the room can see, how would that be explained?

 

[FFH]

An example of an NDE experiment is to put cue cards above the beds of patients in intensive care units who are in a critical condition and likely to suffer from cardiac arrest

These cue cards are placed high above the patient's bed facing upwards and can only be seen from the ceiling level looking downwards

If one of the patients does suffer from a cardiac arrest, and reaches a near death situation then is resucitated are returns back to consciousness and is able to identify what is on the cue card which no one else in the room can see, how would that be explained?

Exactly

 

[meogi]

So can you explain how a temporarily "dead" person can give an account of another's actions and words spoken miles away from where they lay "dead" in a hospital, for instance ???

Yes, DMT. They don't call it the spirit molecule for nothing.

 

[3.14]

did he look at it before it was placed while it was there before his nde was he able to hear it from someone els etc. if all those variables turn up negetive there may be room for more studie

though it has been recorded that while near death senses sharpen, it would stil be doubtfull if the dieing person saw something outside its field of vision or hear something outside of its hearing range

 

[Cordoba]

did he look at it before it was placed while it was there before his nde was he able to hear it from someone els etc.

The clear answer in a controlled scientific experiment is no

No one in the room can see the card, as it's placed in its elevated position facing the ceiling by a researcher who is the only person who knows what is on the card

He or she would obviously not mention anything about the card

How then can the "brain" of a patient flat on his back suffering from cardiac arrest "see" cue cards which can only be seen from the ceiling level looking down?

 

[Khale]

How then can the "brain" of a patient flat on his back suffering from cardiac arrest "see" cue cards which can only be seen from the ceiling level looking down?

How can a non-corporeal soul with no functional light receptors, without even the potential to collect light as it is invisible, see cue cards either? Why would a person who is either fading into non-existence or becoming one with whatever God they worship taking time to even read a cue card? For that matter why would they even be leaving their body in the first place if they were not actually dead?

 

[Cordoba]

Good questions

NDE it seems is only the first phase, it's not the full transition to the next life. If the body recovers, the soul returns, and if not it continues its journey to the next life

The only answer to your first question is that consciousness is not confined to the brain, but that the extra element in us is a conscious soul which can "see" and observe when it becomes detached from the body ...

That's the only explanation, and in that case humans are not made only of a physical body, but we also have a soul

The next question to be asked is where does the soul originate from?

And where does it go when the body dies?

 

[Khale]

Whether or not consciousness is confined to the brain, that still wouldn't give a detached spirit the ability to see. If you're body is entirely superfluous to your operation why are you even attached to it in the first place?

There are plenty of other explanations as to why something like this could have happened: Chemical reactions in the brain as was mentioned before, Auditory cues heard prior to "death", Lucky guesses, or even (though it pains me to say it) false studies. If these events were as irrefutable as some would suggest there would be immense sums of money and time devoted to their studies. Not just fringe groups.

 

[Cordoba]

Chemical reactions in the brain cannot explain the patient being able to see a cue card placed beyond his field of sight

There was a resistence for funding NDE research from the medical field, as the implications - if confirmed - would be a revolution. In fact it would be the revolution of the 21st century, as science would be proving that humans do have a soul, and would then not be able to explain the origin of the human soul except through religion ...

An interesting and important research area to be monitored ...

 

[FFH]

Yes, DMT. They don't call it the spirit molecule for nothing.

Wrong answer.

DMT is a three-letter abbreviation which may stand for

• Dimethyltryptamine, an endogenous and hallucinogenic tryptamine

 

[FFH]

This link features Betty Eadie, the one in the U-tube picture, whom I gave a link to earlier. She is a an LDS member (Mormon) who has documented her NDE. She witnessed actions and coversations with her family, niles away, while she lay dead in the hospital, having bled to death after a routine hystorectomy.

Near Death Experiences - Coming Back From The Light

Her book "Embraced by the Light" was a New York Times #1 best seller.

Embraced By The Light: The Official Betty J. Eadie Web Site

 

[Khale]

Chemical reactions in the brain cannot explain the patient being able to see a cue card placed beyond his field of sight

True, but auditory cues or a falsified study could.

There was a resistence for funding NDE research from the medical field, as the implications - if confirmed - would be a revolution. In fact it would be the revolution of the 21st century, as science would be proving that humans do have a soul, and would then not be able to explain the origin of the human soul except through religion ...

Are you saying that the scientific community is refusing to fund/explore NDEs because they would provide a scientific breakthrough rivaling that of the discovery of molecules? A breakthrough that would provide verifiable proof as well as the potential to understand the machinations of a human soul and possibly a glimpse into another realm of reality?

Why on earth would the vast majority of the scientific community snub something like that if it showed the potential to be real? That is the kind of breakthrough that people go down in history for. The kind of breakthrough the could extend our knowledge of the universe to its very limits if it were confirmed to be true. The kind of breakthrough that any scientist would give their live to be the discoverer of.

This link features Betty Eadie, the one in the U-tube picture, whom I gave a link to earlier. She is a an LDS member (Mormon) who has documented her NDE. She witnessed actions and coversations with her family, niles away, while she lay dead in the hospital, having bled to death after a routine hystorectomy.

Near Death Experiences - Coming Back From The Light

Her book "Embraced by the Light" was a New York Times #1 best seller.

Again, this is something that a person could have very easily falsified. A scam that is, unfortunately, pulled far to often. I'm also afraid that being a New York Times #1 Best seller does not constitute verifiable proof.

 

[YmirGF]

The clear answer in a controlled scientific experiment is no

No one in the room can see the card, as it's placed in its elevated position facing the ceiling by a researcher who is the only person who knows what is on the card

He or she would obviously not mention anything about the card

How then can the "brain" of a patient flat on his back suffering from cardiac arrest "see" cue cards which can only be seen from the ceiling level looking down?

Interesting topic, Cordoba and I would love to see meaningful research done into this quirky phenomena. Although, NDE's do not always feature hovering about the body, given a large enough test group, the researchers may well get some provocative data out of the experiment.

I think what has always stood out for me, in regards to NDE's is the common themes that seem to take place in each. Sure they are each quite unique, but they do tend to incorporate a dark passageway, a field of light and other worldly conversations that the recipient recalls upon "waking" from the experience.

 

[methylatedghosts]

I read somewhere of a person painting a picture of what she saw, and someone across the other side of the world had a similar experience and recognised that very place.