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A few thoughts on the classic idea of Hell

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
How can you distinguish between "God's gifts" and random occurances? Or are they one and the same?

When you get baptised and the Holy Ghost enters your body, that is no random occurrence.

When you are sleeping in a pew and get the call from God to be saved, that is no random occurrence.

When you have not been to church in years and your car turns into the driveway and the sermon was custom tailored to your life and where you were in life and exactly how you felt, that might be a random occurrence but I doubt it.

When you are living your darkest hour of life and you get on your knees and pray to God for help and the next day your prayers are answered against all odds, that is not a random occurrence.

When someone comes to you and asks you to lead them to the Lord and they have been a sinner all their life and a week later they pass away, that might be a random occurrence but I highly doubt it.

When you pray for someone who is dieing in a hospital and they recover against all odds, that is a miracle.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
When you get baptised and the Holy Ghost enters your body, that is no random occurrence.

When you are sleeping in a pew and get the call from God to be saved, that is no random occurrence.

When you have not been to church in years and your car turns into the driveway and the sermon was custom tailored to your life and where you were in life and exactly how you felt, that might be a random occurrence but I doubt it.

When you are living your darkest hour of life and you get on your knees and pray to God for help and the next day your prayers are answered against all odds, that is not a random occurrence.

When someone comes to you and asks you to lead them to the Lord and they have been a sinner all their life and a week later they pass away, that might be a random occurrence but I highly doubt it.

When you pray for someone who is dieing in a hospital and they recover against all odds, that is a miracle.

It could also be an example of karmic purification. :D :run:




Peace,
Mystic
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Hell is a real place. I would not be concerned with the content of hell as much as I would the duration of the stay. Eternity is a real long time. I trust that God will give the Hindu's a fair judgement as I have already stated in your, "am I going to hell thread".

Christians believe in a real hell with fire and brimstone and constant torture complete with demons, the devil and the Antichrist. That for me is not the scary part. The constant thirst is.
 

Francine

Well-Known Member
I believe we all should vacation there once before we decide to retire in hell.

My last vacation was in the tropics, on the island of Mindanao about 8 degrees north of the equator, and it was both hot and humid. Something closer to Arizona would be more to my liking.
 
By the, "classic" idea of Hell, I mean fire, demons and sharp, pointy sticks. I know many Christians don't believe in this kind of Hell, but there are some that do, so this got me thinking.

If there are a finite number of demons in Hell and the number of humans is being increased continuously throughout the history of this planet, then surely there'll come a time, when the damned can rise up against the legions of Satan and claim Hell for themselves?
Demons are not in charge of hell. Demons and Satan will be punished by God in hell just like everyone else who is there.

Also, how could an all-loving God possibly condemn atheists to this eternal torture, simply because God wont give them any hint that He exists? I mean, why does God need us to believe without proof? It's like He's teasing people and those, like me, who get fed up with it, get thrown on the fire.

God has given us more than enough evidence to know he exists and what he wants us to do. Those who want to find God will find him without absolute proof, and those who want to ignore God will never find him even if they had absolute proof. If really do want to find out the truth about God them you must demonstrate this by sincerely seeking him. Just a couple of insincere prayers to God asking him to show himself if he really exists won't get you anywhere.

Last year I decided that I wanted to know the truth about God. I was born into a Christian family, though I stopped going to church after I was 16 (I'm 21 now), but I didn't want to be a Christian just because my family was. So whenever I had the chance I was online researching different religions, the arguments for and against them, the historical and archaeological evidence, and reading their scriptures such as the Qur'an, Book of Mormon, and the Bible. To give you an example of how much time I spend I read almost the entire Bible in about a week, which, considering that there are 'Read the Bible in two years' reading plans, is pretty fast. I finally came to the conclusion that Christianity was the probable truth, though since I was not completely sure I continued to pray that God would let me know if Christianity was true. Finally I had a vision of figure saying something along the lines of "You're on the right track but you need to make a bigger room for me.".

I don't usually mention that I've had a vision, in fact I've only ever told one person up to this point, because I know that no one else can verify it, but in this case I think it demonstrates that God will never ignore anyone who seeks him. How can you expect to get to know someone if you spend only a very small amount of time making an effort to do so? You have no room for complaining about not finding God if you never make an effort to find him. If you want to know God then make an effort to do so, while praying that he would show himself to you. What sense does it make to complain about something you've never put effort into? I am no more special than anyone else, so if you too sincerely seek God then I see no reason he won't show himself to you too.
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
How can you distinguish between "God's gifts" and random occurances? Or are they one and the same?
thats simple.
If the random occurrence brought someone to God, it was not a random occurrence but an act of God "proving" His existence.
 

Jistyr

Inquisitive Youngin'
God proves himself every day for those who choose to listen.
That is an easy statement to make, extremely difficult to prove, and very hazy.

I promise you that I have my ears open and attentive for any word of God that may come to me, but all I have heard is silence.

The difficulty comes into play when it's whether I'm not choosing to listen, as you have suggested, or whether or not I'm simply hearing nothing, yet you are so sick of the silence that you have tricked yourself into hearing God's words for your own comfort.

Have you ever been scared in the dark, and you seem to constantly hear things, even if, perhaps, they are not actually there?
 
I dont think of satan as some guy in a red suit with horns and a pichfork. I think of hell not some dungen. I think of it as a place unescapable, with fire and everything you have fear of taunting you. Endless fear and alone. A place which is so horrible it gives me the chills to think about.

I feel not so afraid thought because there is a place called heaven.:yes:
 
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