Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I Guess that means Polytheist also have a funny concept of God, because they see them has Anthropomorphic. Well it's now nice to know I have a funny Concept of the Gods. :cover:
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An appeal for the logic of religious belief
- Thread starter Popeyesays
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I Guess that means Polytheist also have a funny concept of God, because they see them has Anthropomorphic. Well it's now nice to know I have a funny Concept of the Gods. :cover:
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
I'm fine with the idea of multiple gods, so long as they answer to a "First Cause."
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Smoke
Done here.
If you can't give even the vaguest, flimsiest reason for believing the things you believe or for saying the things you say, juvenile insults don't really help your case as much as you might think.
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
Oh, how true!
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
The logic of religious belief is there. I mean, everything didnt just work like that. For a everything you need a generator.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Diesel or electric? 
sorry couldn't help myself.
wa:do
sorry couldn't help myself.
wa:do
What generated the generator then?
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
I love it when "atheists" anthropomorphize God. (And that is exactly what you are doing.) It shows they aren't atheists after all: they just have a funny concept of God.
By definition, God transcends conceptualization: the best and highest conception of God is only an approximation. When atheists compare God to something along the line of a pink unicorn or something in need of a cause, what they are really doing is positing a ridiculous concept of God and saying that such a God does not exist and therefore God does not exist.
Please, people. Can't you come up with something better, something less childish?
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
And why is this relevant?
The generator cannot be generated because he/she is a generator. It was there from the beginning it will never go.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Well if you look at most Polytheistic religion they do believe in a "First Cause". But weather it itself is God or just the creating universe is a whole different matter.
I love it when Theists say the same thing over and over trying to sound smart that they know what other belief and tell them there not what they say they are. Even people a belief anthropomorphize there Gods because that is how it shows itself. Say Atheist have a funny idea of God is no different then saying those Theist have a funny idea of God. And I start to would if Atheist think all Theist think the same way you do.
Well, I was not doing the anthropomorphizing. Penguino is the one who said that everything has a generator. He didn't say everything except God...
By definition everything means everything. Yes, even those concepts (or um, approximations??) that conveniently "transcend conceptualization."
Furthermore, coming up with something better as you propose would be superfluous. As these basic (childish as you call them) questions have yet to be answered.
I can easily claim that the universe, the big bang, and the origin of life are all natural, but they transcend conceptualization. Don't bother critiquing this claim though, for you will only be displaying your childish arrogance.
Oh, it's not just relevant. It is the most relevant.
A generator cannot be generated?? I beg to differ. What you mean to say is that your idea of an ultimate generator (which conveniently "transcends conceptualization"
) cannot be generated. This is an extraordinarily strong conviction to hold by weight of a (not so) common sense definition that you propose.If people enjoy holding these beliefs, so be it. I would just hope that at the same time they could admit how tragically un-compelling this rhetoric is to someone not sharing these views. I think compelling arguments are out there - I used to be a Christian. Transcending conceptualization is certainly not one of them!
Smoke
Done here.
Our generator was made by Powermate; however Kohler makes better ones. None of them are eternal.
Smoke
Done here.
No, they're comparing an actual absurd belief to an imaginary absurd belief.
That's what I think when I consider your religion. Can't you?
Super Universe
Defender of God
This question is always used by athiests who haven't even thought it out.
Lets say there is no God, something still generated the universe, right? Whether that something was a sentient intelligence or not, something still caused the universe.
If athiests can't answer it then why is it somehow a more compelling argument when thiests can't answer it? It's not.
Smoke
Done here.
Atheists don't claim to answer it. Theists do, but their answer is unsatisfying and unconvincing.
Nope. The universe always was and always will be. It transcends conceptualization in your laughable mammalian prefrontal cortex.
Super Universe
Defender of God
Ah, so "I don't know" is worth more than "God did it"?
It's an unanswerable question for both sides.
Super Universe
Defender of God
And do you have any evidence for this? It would seem to conflict with the whole "big bang" theory.
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Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Not necessarily. The universe may be eternal.
Also, atheists are often content with "I don't know," which is a perfectly valid answer. The theist says that he does know, so the onus is on him to show that he does.