Read @wellwisher ’s post in this thread. You will see how I built on his assertion about prey being designed. Absurd.Designed?
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Read @wellwisher ’s post in this thread. You will see how I built on his assertion about prey being designed. Absurd.Designed?
It explains why we overwhelmingly for thousands and thousands of years have had our dog with us and favor them over pigs, which widely get eaten.Is this relevant to level of intelligence?
My Asian attitude toward animals is,I can’t watch videos that show any animal torture. I once saw a video of a Chinese street kitchen where the “chef” was tossing live kittens into boiling water, and within seconds pulling them out and skinning them for food. It was the first confirmation of what I had heard about Asian attitudes towards animals. I am still sick to my stomach.
I saw those on the news series Witness. I think it was from the CBC where they don't censor the images.I can’t watch videos that show any animal torture. I once saw a video of a Chinese street kitchen where the “chef” was tossing live kittens into boiling water, and within seconds pulling them out and skinning them for food. It was the first confirmation of what I had heard about Asian attitudes towards animals. I am still sick to my stomach.
I think there is truth that a society reflects itself on how it treats its animals.My Asian attitude toward animals is,
" be kind to animals by not eating them".
Or confining them to tiny cages for months
or years as per brood sows or chickens.
It's not clear to me if you object to
eating kittens as such, or the near- instantaneous
way they were killed.
The " inhumanity" in American pig farming
and slaughter is incomparably worse.
FTM, chickens are wonderful animals as anyone
who has had a pet chicken knows.
I strenuously object to your invidious condemnation
of "Asians"- as if I am a Cambodian or Paki or we are all alike.
AND As if Americans or Euros had some moral high
ground from which to condemn ( all) Asians.
I thought you were better than that
Fascinating.Veggie takes this one step further since who wants to assimilate the spirit of a vegetable; pretty but inanimate pea brain. Eat for flavor and nutrition.
Enormous truth.I think there is truth that a society reflects itself on how it treats its animals.
Yeah, this thread sickened me. I love canids. The best creatures. Foxes Dingos Coyote Wolves Dogs all of em...fantastic animals.No doubt. But it still stands humans and dogs have shared and enjoyed a coevolution over the past ~20,000 years.
I can’t watch videos that show any animal torture. I once saw a video of a Chinese street kitchen where the “chef” was tossing live kittens into boiling water, and within seconds pulling them out and skinning them for food. It was the first confirmation of what I had heard about Asian attitudes towards animals. I am still sick to my stomach.
As far as I know the Communist Party of China doe not encourage the consumption of dog meat, and actively promotes social awareness programs to dissuade people from the practice.Also, eating cats and dogs is not a common practice in China, as shown by this survey (among other sources). It does happen, but it's not a population-wide practice as some would claim.
I don't really have issues with people eating these animals just because it is a dog or a shark, obviously not to extinction, and wouldn't eat it myself. But I have problems with how they treat animals, they ought to respect them more. There is no reason for her to treat them badly except that it is probably easier for her and she doesn't give a rat's *** about them.
But that to me applies to all animals we eat, they should be treated well and respectfully. For instance, killing sharks just to eat their fins etc. is extremely disrespectful I think, if you can barely eat anything of an animal or they are at risk of extinction then eat something else.
Nothing else switches on the reptilian part of my brain, like a sadist. Cowards.I think of animal abusers the same way I think of violent bullies:
Nothing else switches on the reptilian part of my brain, like a sadist. Cowards.
Was watching a youtube vid a few weeks ago, some Ukrainian soldiers running for their lives from mortars, with some dirty and bewildered cats they had rescued just before the shells started landing, tucked under their arms.When I was conscripted, I befriended cats that genuinely made my time in service much more tolerable. All anyone had to do was treat them well, and they would become unconditionally affectionate friends.
The only reason I can think of for anyone to intentionally inflict suffering on them is some deeply pathological drive.
I don't think the woman in the video sees herself as an animal abuser, also no one around her reacts to it so I think it is more of a cultural thing, that they just don't give a ****, an animal is a product like a TV or whatever. If someone rode around with dogs like this in Denmark, they would be arrested if not beaten senseless by the first person who saw it.I think of animal abusers the same way I think of violent bullies: They are often people who derive some sort of pathological satisfaction from inflicting pain and suffering on a weaker living, feeling being. Either that or they are so horrendously ignorant that they minimize or underestimate animals' capacity to experience pain and suffering.
Also, many animal abusers are well aware of the extent of suffering that their actions inflict on animals but simply don't care because they make a profit from their practices. Many industrial meat farms and slaughterhouses are examples of this, where producing more and more meat to make more money tends to take precedence over consideration of animal rights and humane standards. It is indeed sickening.
But that says nothing concerning their levels of intelligence.It explains why we overwhelmingly for thousands and thousands of years have had our dog with us and favor them over pigs, which widely get eaten.
I'm sorry you're upset. If you read my post completely you will see that I was referring to traditions in Asia that are inhumane. Even @Shadow Wolf noted how dogs are special to humans as an animal species since they evolved with our species, yet Koreans still eat dog meat. It was noted that South Korea is phasing this tradition out.My Asian attitude toward animals is,
" be kind to animals by not eating them".
Or confining them to tiny cages for months
or years as per brood sows or chickens.
It's not clear to me if you object to
eating kittens as such, or the near- instantaneous
way they were killed.
The " inhumanity" in American pig farming
and slaughter is incomparably worse.
FTM, chickens are wonderful animals as anyone
who has had a pet chicken knows.
I strenuously object to your invidious condemnation
of "Asians"- as if I am a Cambodian or Paki or we are all alike.
AND As if Americans or Euros had some moral high
ground from which to condemn ( all) Asians.
A lot of that going around.I thought you were better than that
My comment was in the specific cases of animal cruelty. I always want to think the best of people in general and the reminders that humans often fall short of it, and fall back on tradition. Tradition is hard to change.Among the top 10 countries in the world by the number of pets owned, there are four Asian ones:
Also, eating cats and dogs is not a common practice in China, as shown by this survey (among other sources). It does happen, but it's not a population-wide practice as some would claim.
I think it's crucial to avoid overgeneralizations about entire countries when pointing out problems that need to be addressed. Animal abuse deserves utmost condemnation, but I wouldn't say that it characterizes an "Asian attitude" toward animals—supposedly the attitude of the world's most populous continent.
You're the one with the emotiveI'm sorry you're upset. If you read my post completely you will see that I was referring to traditions in Asia that are inhumane. Even @Shadow Wolf noted how dogs are special to humans as an animal species since they evolved with our species, yet Koreans still eat dog meat. It was noted that South Korea is phasing this tradition out.
As far as the morality of slaughtering animals, that is the fuzzy question that any society has to resolve. I've seen videos of slaughterhouses in the USA and can say it's quite difficult to accept. Is ethical standards in the USA ideal? No. But it isn't at the level of boiling animals alive.
A lot of that going around.
My comment was in the specific cases of animal cruelty. I always want to think the best of people in general and the reminders that humans often fall short of it, and fall back on tradition. Tradition is hard to change.
I don't think the woman in the video sees herself as an animal abuser, also no one around her reacts to it so I think it is more of a cultural thing, that they just don't give a ****, an animal is a product like a TV or whatever. If someone rode around with dogs like this in Denmark, they would be arrested if not beaten senseless by the first person who saw it.