paarsurrey
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I don't get you please.
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Was Islam spread by the sword?
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paarsurrey
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Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina: [2]
The Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian era[edit]
Main article: Ottoman Bosnia
Islam was first brought to the Balkans by the Ottomans in the mid-to-late 15th century who gained control of most of Bosnia in 1463, and seizedHerzegovina in the 1480s. Over the next century, the Bosnians - composed of dualists and Slavic tribes living in the Bosnian kingdom under the name of Bošnjani [5] - embraced Islam in great numbers under Ottoman rule which also saw the name Bošnjanin transform into Bošnjak('Bosniak'). By the early 1600s, approximately two thirds of the population of Bosnia were Muslim.[6] Bosnia and Herzegovina remained a province in the Ottoman Empire and gained autonomy after the Bosnian uprising in 1831. After the 1878 Congress of Berlin it came under the temporary control of Austria-Hungary. In 1908, Austria-Hungary formally annexed the region.
Bosnia, along with Albania, were the only parts of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans where large numbers of people were converted to Islam, and remained there after independence. In other areas of the former Ottoman Empire where Muslims formed the majority or started to form the majority, those Muslims were either expelled, assimilated/Christianized, massacred, or fled elsewhere (Muhajirs).[citati
Bosnian war[edit]
Constructed in 1579, the Ferhadija mosque in Banja Luka was razed to the ground by Serb extremists during the war and is currently being reconstructed.
This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (January 2013)
The ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims during the Bosnian war caused a profound internal displacement of their population within Bosnia-Herzegovina, resulting in the almost complete segregation of the country's religious communities into separate ethno-religious areas. The rate of returning refugees was markedly slowed down by 2003-2004, leaving the majority of Serbian Orthodox adherents living in the Republika Srpska and the majority of Muslims and Catholics still living in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Within the Federation, distinct Muslim and Catholic majority areas remain. However, the return of Serbian Orthodox adherents and Muslims to their prewar homes in Western Bosnia Canton and Muslims to their prewar homes in eastern Bosnia near Srebrenica have shifted the ethno-religious composition in both areas.
Through out Bosnia, mosques were systematically destroyed by Serb and Croat armed forces. Among the most important losses were two mosques in Banja Luka, Arnaudija and Ferhadija mosque, that were on the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) register of world cultural monuments.
Destruction of Islamic religious buildings in Bosnia (1992-1995)[7]
Building Destroyed Damaged Total
by Serb extremists by Croat extremists by Serb extremists by Croat extremists Total destroyed during the war Total damaged during the war Total Total no. before the war Percentage of pre-war damaged or destroyed
congregational mosque 249 58 540 80 307 620 927 1,149 81%
small neighbourhood mosque 21 20 175 43 41 218 259 557 47%
Quran schools 14 4 55 14 18 69 87 954 9%
Dervish lodges 4 1 3 1 5 4 9 15 60%
Mausolea, shrines 6 1 34 3 7 37 44 90 49%
Buildings of religious endowments 125 24 345 60 149 405 554 1,425 39%
Total 419 108 1,152 201 527 1,353 1,880 4,190 45%
[Destruction of Islamic religious buildings in Bosnia (1992-1995)[7] :
Building Destroyed total during the war - 527
Total damaged during the war: 1,880
Total no. before the war : 4,190
Percentage of pre-war damaged or destroyed: 45%]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Bosnia Herzegovina . Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina: [2]
The Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian era[edit]
Main article: Ottoman Bosnia
Islam was first brought to the Balkans by the Ottomans in the mid-to-late 15th century who gained control of most of Bosnia in 1463, and seizedHerzegovina in the 1480s. Over the next century, the Bosnians - composed of dualists and Slavic tribes living in the Bosnian kingdom under the name of Bošnjani [5] - embraced Islam in great numbers under Ottoman rule which also saw the name Bošnjanin transform into Bošnjak('Bosniak'). By the early 1600s, approximately two thirds of the population of Bosnia were Muslim.[6] Bosnia and Herzegovina remained a province in the Ottoman Empire and gained autonomy after the Bosnian uprising in 1831. After the 1878 Congress of Berlin it came under the temporary control of Austria-Hungary. In 1908, Austria-Hungary formally annexed the region.
Bosnia, along with Albania, were the only parts of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans where large numbers of people were converted to Islam, and remained there after independence. In other areas of the former Ottoman Empire where Muslims formed the majority or started to form the majority, those Muslims were either expelled, assimilated/Christianized, massacred, or fled elsewhere (Muhajirs).[citati
Bosnian war[edit]
Constructed in 1579, the Ferhadija mosque in Banja Luka was razed to the ground by Serb extremists during the war and is currently being reconstructed.
This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (January 2013)
The ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims during the Bosnian war caused a profound internal displacement of their population within Bosnia-Herzegovina, resulting in the almost complete segregation of the country's religious communities into separate ethno-religious areas. The rate of returning refugees was markedly slowed down by 2003-2004, leaving the majority of Serbian Orthodox adherents living in the Republika Srpska and the majority of Muslims and Catholics still living in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Within the Federation, distinct Muslim and Catholic majority areas remain. However, the return of Serbian Orthodox adherents and Muslims to their prewar homes in Western Bosnia Canton and Muslims to their prewar homes in eastern Bosnia near Srebrenica have shifted the ethno-religious composition in both areas.
Through out Bosnia, mosques were systematically destroyed by Serb and Croat armed forces. Among the most important losses were two mosques in Banja Luka, Arnaudija and Ferhadija mosque, that were on the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) register of world cultural monuments.
Destruction of Islamic religious buildings in Bosnia (1992-1995)[7]
Building Destroyed Damaged Total
by Serb extremists by Croat extremists by Serb extremists by Croat extremists Total destroyed during the war Total damaged during the war Total Total no. before the war Percentage of pre-war damaged or destroyed
congregational mosque 249 58 540 80 307 620 927 1,149 81%
small neighbourhood mosque 21 20 175 43 41 218 259 557 47%
Quran schools 14 4 55 14 18 69 87 954 9%
Dervish lodges 4 1 3 1 5 4 9 15 60%
Mausolea, shrines 6 1 34 3 7 37 44 90 49%
Buildings of religious endowments 125 24 345 60 149 405 554 1,425 39%
Total 419 108 1,152 201 527 1,353 1,880 4,190 45%
[Destruction of Islamic religious buildings in Bosnia (1992-1995)[7] :
Building Destroyed total during the war - 527
Total damaged during the war: 1,880
Total no. before the war : 4,190
Percentage of pre-war damaged or destroyed: 45%]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Bosnia Herzegovina . Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
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gnostic
The Lost One
It is funny how paarsurrey have snipped out part of wiki article of Islam in Bosnia-Herzegovina about the conquest of the land, capturing Bosnia and Herzegovina before the Slavs had converted. The Slavic Muslims only joined Islam after the invasion. The conversion to Islam may have been freely converted, but it did not happen until after the invasion, not before the invasion.
No one deny that the massacre of Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s, but paarsurrey is apparently denying invasion did take place, when the Ottoman Turks first arrived in the region.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina: [3]
Bosnian Genocide
The term Bosnian Genocide refers to either genocide at Srebrenica and Žepa[9] committed by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995 or the wider ethnic cleansing campaign throughout areas controlled by the Army of the Republika Srpska[10] that took place during the 1992–1995 Bosnian War.[11]
The events in Srebrenica in 1995 included the killing of more than 8,000 Bosniak ("Bosnian Muslim") men and boys, as well as the mass expulsion of another 25,000–30,000 Bosniak civilians, in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina, committed by units of the Army of the Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić.[12][13]
The ethnic cleansing campaign that took place throughout areas controlled by the Bosnian Serbs (majority Orthodox) through the VRS targeted Bosniaks (majority Muslim) and Bosnian Croats (majority Catholic). The ethnic cleansing campaign included unlawful confinement, murder, rape, sexual assault, torture, beating, robbery and inhumane treatment of civilians; the targeting of political leaders, intellectuals and professionals; the unlawful deportation and transfer of civilians; the unlawful shelling of civilians; the unlawful appropriation and plunder of real and personal property; the destruction of homes and businesses; and the destruction of places of worship.[14]
In the 1990s, several authorities, asserted that ethnic cleansing as carried out by elements of the Bosnian Serb army was genocide.[15] These included a resolution by the United Nations General Assembly and three convictions for genocide in German courts, (the convictions were based upon a wider interpretation of genocide than that used by international courts).[16] In 2005, the United States Congress passed a resolution declaring that "the Serbian policies of aggression and ethnic cleansing meet the terms defining genocide".[17]
However, in line with a majority of legal scholars, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and the International Court of Justice (ICJ) have ruled that, in order for actions to be deemed genocide, there must be physical or biological destruction of a protected group and a specific intent to commit such destruction. To date, only the Srebrenica massacre has been found to be a genocide by the ICTY, a finding upheld by the ICJ.[18] Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić is currently on reinstated charges for genocide in several Bosnian municipalities other than Srebrenica, a verdict is not expected before 2015.[19][20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide
One could see that sword had been used against Muslims, while more that 8000 Muslims were killed, how many Muslims did convert to the religion of killers?
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No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina: [3]
Bosnian Genocide
The term Bosnian Genocide refers to either genocide at Srebrenica and Žepa[9] committed by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995 or the wider ethnic cleansing campaign throughout areas controlled by the Army of the Republika Srpska[10] that took place during the 1992–1995 Bosnian War.[11]
The events in Srebrenica in 1995 included the killing of more than 8,000 Bosniak ("Bosnian Muslim") men and boys, as well as the mass expulsion of another 25,000–30,000 Bosniak civilians, in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina, committed by units of the Army of the Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić.[12][13]
The ethnic cleansing campaign that took place throughout areas controlled by the Bosnian Serbs (majority Orthodox) through the VRS targeted Bosniaks (majority Muslim) and Bosnian Croats (majority Catholic). The ethnic cleansing campaign included unlawful confinement, murder, rape, sexual assault, torture, beating, robbery and inhumane treatment of civilians; the targeting of political leaders, intellectuals and professionals; the unlawful deportation and transfer of civilians; the unlawful shelling of civilians; the unlawful appropriation and plunder of real and personal property; the destruction of homes and businesses; and the destruction of places of worship.[14]
In the 1990s, several authorities, asserted that ethnic cleansing as carried out by elements of the Bosnian Serb army was genocide.[15] These included a resolution by the United Nations General Assembly and three convictions for genocide in German courts, (the convictions were based upon a wider interpretation of genocide than that used by international courts).[16] In 2005, the United States Congress passed a resolution declaring that "the Serbian policies of aggression and ethnic cleansing meet the terms defining genocide".[17]
However, in line with a majority of legal scholars, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and the International Court of Justice (ICJ) have ruled that, in order for actions to be deemed genocide, there must be physical or biological destruction of a protected group and a specific intent to commit such destruction. To date, only the Srebrenica massacre has been found to be a genocide by the ICTY, a finding upheld by the ICJ.[18] Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić is currently on reinstated charges for genocide in several Bosnian municipalities other than Srebrenica, a verdict is not expected before 2015.[19][20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide
One could see that sword had been used against Muslims, while more that 8000 Muslims were killed, how many Muslims did convert to the religion of killers?
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Augustus
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The problem with using any country that was part of the Ottoman Empire is that the Ottomans DID forcibly convert LOTS of people. The Muslim Empires in general did not use forced conversion, but the Ottomans actually did.
You should probably steer clear of any Christian country conquered by the Ottomans on this topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devşirme
"Devşirme[a] (literally "collecting" in Turkish), also known as the blood tax or tribute in blood, was chiefly the annual practice by which the Ottoman Empire sent military to abduct boys, sons of their Christian subjects in the villages of the Balkans and Anatolia.[1] They were then converted to Islam[2]with the primary objective of selecting and training the ablest children for the military or civil service of the Empire, notably into the Janissaries.[3]"
As borders of the Ottoman Empire expanded, the devşirme was extended to include Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs, Armeniansand later, in rare instances, Romanians, Georgians, Poles, Ukrainians and southern Russians. The Janissaries first began enrolling outside the devşirme (known as blood tax) system during the reign of Sultan Murad III (1574–1595).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries
gnostic
The Lost One
We know that the Bosnian Serbs murdered the Bosnian Muslims in the Bosnian War. No one is denying that horrible genocide.
But you posted a link from the Wiki article - Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina - in post #2543, but you didn't copy the whole content:
You didn't copy the part under the title The Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian era:
Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina said:
The only reason why Islam flourished in Bosnia and Herzegovina because the Ottoman Turks had invaded the Balkan regions, during the 15th century. I doubt those nations would have as many conversions, if Turks had only enter Bosnia and Herzegovina as traders, with no army present.
That's want you can't seemed to grasp. Islam have never flourished since the time of Muhammad without a single army being present.
Christianity have had a long bloody violent history, but the spread of early Christianity had only spread through missionaries, not with armed forces, for almost 3 centuries. There were no Christian banners in the army until Constantine had adopted Christianity as a state religion, in its Roman Empire, in the 1st quarter of the 4th century CE.
Islam, on the other hand, began with army and wars since Muhammad rose in power in Medina, and continued to spread through with armies and conquests, east and west, with successive caliphates or empires. Muslims even had a civil war in the 7th century. Civil war, paarsurrey; does that sound peaceful to you?
You can quote all these wiki articles, but you have shown just dishonest you have been, by leaving out the parts about the Ottoman conquests in the Balkans were anything but peaceful. And you don't seem Islamic history in Eastern Europe.
Did you know that before Constantinople had fallen to the ottoman Turks in the 15th century, that the Arab armies have unsuccessfully besieged Constantinople a number of times, during the 6th century and 7th century? There were nothing peaceful about that.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I condemn the Ottoman Empire for doing such great sin, if they did it. There is no such teaching to do it in the Quran. They were simply wrong.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please focus on the following points.
Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Belize .
Belize
Country in Central America
Belize is a nation on the eastern coast of Central America, with Caribbean Sea shorelines to the east and dense jungle to the west. It's known for its beaches, eco-lodges, scuba diving and sportfishing. Offshore, the massive Belize Barrier Reef, dotted with hundreds of cayes, hosts rich marine life. Belize’s jungle areas are rich with Mayan ruins.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=location of belize
Ahmadiyya Muslims plan to extend Humanity First to Belize
Naveed Mangla, a missionary of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, told Amandala that his group, established in Belize 6 months ago, plans to set up an arm of Humanity First in Belize.
The organization says that it is a humanitarian relief organization, registered in 41 countries across 6 continents. It said that it has been working on human development projects and responding to disasters since 1995.
Mangla moved to Belize from Canada last year. Also with him when he visited our newspaper on Tuesday were his colleagues, Mubashar Ahmed, also of Canada, and Abdul Nunez, a Belizean who joined the group when they came here last year.
The Ahmadiyya group said that they are different from the Muslims already established in Belize because they are the only ones who believe the promised reformer has come. That promised reformer, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of India, fulfills the second coming of Muhammed, said Mangla.
However, he told us that, “When we serve people, we don’t connect the Ahmadiyya with Humanity First.”
He said that Humanity First is working for the sake of the Almighty, just to help people.
“Humanity First also provides humanitarian aid to those affected by natural disasters and undertakes emergency relief operations around the world providing medical assistance, shelter, water, food, clothing and sanitation to affected populations,” the organization says.
“Our plan is to remind people that whichever religion you belong to, if you take a U-turn and go back to your founder, you will find peace,” Mangla said. “None preached hatred, killing or any of these crimes going on in the world.”
As for their plans for work in Belize, Mangla said, “We don’t want to make big promises and not live up to them. We have only been here for 6-7 months and we are trying our best to first register…”
The group of men had just returned from a trip to Guatemala, where they said the community is established and working with locals to teach English, Spanish and computer science.
Mangla could be assigned to missionary duties only after attending seminary for 7 years at the University of Theology in Canada. Similar institutions exist in England, Africa, India and Pakistan.
Mangla said that they study not only Islam but all other religions, so that they can relate to other people.
Ahmed, his comrade, told us that they have had a great experience interacting with Belizeans. He said that they have found Belizeans to be very attentive, as people would listen and talk to them – which they don’t see in other countries, because people simply don’t have time. Last year, 9 people joined the community and they quickly registered with the help of a local attorney.
The men said that members of their community spend a lot of time doing volunteer activities, and their mantra is “love for all; hate for none.”
They are involved in running soup kitchens, cleaning parks and roads, and visiting the elderly, the men said.
They told us that their group numbers tens of millions, with large populations in Pakistan, Indonesia and India.
Ahmed said that they don’t just stay in the mosque and pray but they help people.
“We are here in Belize to stay, to help our Belizean brothers and sisters…” Ahmed said.
“Everything in life has a purpose and we are here for a purpose,” Mangla commented.
Nuñez, a well-known Muslim in Belize, said that he has heard negative things about the Ahmadiyya from some other Muslims in Belize; but, he said, “…don’t beat the horse until you ride it. Find out before you flag it…”
http://amandala.com.bz/news/ahmadiyya-muslims-plan-extend-humanity-belize/
Country/Region:
Belize
Ahmadiyya population : 50
Percentage (%) of Muslims : 1.8
Percentage (%) of population : < 0.1
Notes/Sources :Estimate[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Belize ?
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- Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
- Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
- if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
- Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
- Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Belize .
Belize
Country in Central America
Belize is a nation on the eastern coast of Central America, with Caribbean Sea shorelines to the east and dense jungle to the west. It's known for its beaches, eco-lodges, scuba diving and sportfishing. Offshore, the massive Belize Barrier Reef, dotted with hundreds of cayes, hosts rich marine life. Belize’s jungle areas are rich with Mayan ruins.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=location of belize
Ahmadiyya Muslims plan to extend Humanity First to Belize
Naveed Mangla, a missionary of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, told Amandala that his group, established in Belize 6 months ago, plans to set up an arm of Humanity First in Belize.
The organization says that it is a humanitarian relief organization, registered in 41 countries across 6 continents. It said that it has been working on human development projects and responding to disasters since 1995.
Mangla moved to Belize from Canada last year. Also with him when he visited our newspaper on Tuesday were his colleagues, Mubashar Ahmed, also of Canada, and Abdul Nunez, a Belizean who joined the group when they came here last year.
The Ahmadiyya group said that they are different from the Muslims already established in Belize because they are the only ones who believe the promised reformer has come. That promised reformer, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of India, fulfills the second coming of Muhammed, said Mangla.
However, he told us that, “When we serve people, we don’t connect the Ahmadiyya with Humanity First.”
He said that Humanity First is working for the sake of the Almighty, just to help people.
“Humanity First also provides humanitarian aid to those affected by natural disasters and undertakes emergency relief operations around the world providing medical assistance, shelter, water, food, clothing and sanitation to affected populations,” the organization says.
“Our plan is to remind people that whichever religion you belong to, if you take a U-turn and go back to your founder, you will find peace,” Mangla said. “None preached hatred, killing or any of these crimes going on in the world.”
As for their plans for work in Belize, Mangla said, “We don’t want to make big promises and not live up to them. We have only been here for 6-7 months and we are trying our best to first register…”
The group of men had just returned from a trip to Guatemala, where they said the community is established and working with locals to teach English, Spanish and computer science.
Mangla could be assigned to missionary duties only after attending seminary for 7 years at the University of Theology in Canada. Similar institutions exist in England, Africa, India and Pakistan.
Mangla said that they study not only Islam but all other religions, so that they can relate to other people.
Ahmed, his comrade, told us that they have had a great experience interacting with Belizeans. He said that they have found Belizeans to be very attentive, as people would listen and talk to them – which they don’t see in other countries, because people simply don’t have time. Last year, 9 people joined the community and they quickly registered with the help of a local attorney.
The men said that members of their community spend a lot of time doing volunteer activities, and their mantra is “love for all; hate for none.”
They are involved in running soup kitchens, cleaning parks and roads, and visiting the elderly, the men said.
They told us that their group numbers tens of millions, with large populations in Pakistan, Indonesia and India.
Ahmed said that they don’t just stay in the mosque and pray but they help people.
“We are here in Belize to stay, to help our Belizean brothers and sisters…” Ahmed said.
“Everything in life has a purpose and we are here for a purpose,” Mangla commented.
Nuñez, a well-known Muslim in Belize, said that he has heard negative things about the Ahmadiyya from some other Muslims in Belize; but, he said, “…don’t beat the horse until you ride it. Find out before you flag it…”
http://amandala.com.bz/news/ahmadiyya-muslims-plan-extend-humanity-belize/
Country/Region:
Ahmadiyya population : 50
Percentage (%) of Muslims : 1.8
Percentage (%) of population : < 0.1
Notes/Sources :Estimate[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in Belize ?
Regards
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Nice claim you got there. Too bad that Sunni and Shia disagree.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Don't worry about them. Just stick to the Truth.
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gnostic
The Lost One
I respect that the Ahmadiyya are more peaceful than some other sects, but the only reform made by the Ahmadiyya is only accepted by the Ahmadis.
Sure, you may think the Ahmadiyya is the faster growing sect, but the number of Ahmadis is still less than 1% of Muslim world population. Compare that with at least 87% (some would estimate it be 90%) are Sunni Muslims, and 13% are Shiites (or 10%), then Ahmadis is just a small fraction.
That being the case, where there only a fraction in numbers of Ahmadis, then this "reform" you would call it, is only being accepted by that fraction of one percent of Muslims...which make it not a reform at all.
I don't know about the Shia, but the majority Sunni either see your sect as not Muslims at all, or at best a heretic sect.
The problem is with Mirza Ghulum Ahmad himself. Ahmad self-proclaim of being a Mahdi and the second Messiah. Other than Ahmadis, no other Muslims accept him as such.
So "fast spreading" or not, the Ahmadis or Ahmadiyya still don't make up a whole ONE percent.
Don't get me wrong, paarsurrey, I don't hate Ahmadiyya or the Ahmadis. I am just not impressed.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
We are neither here to impress one another, nor to convert one, we could just help one another to find the Truth. Ant Truth starts with One person and then others join in to sing the song of Truth. Truth cannot be judged in terms of minority or majority. Will one kindly understand the point? Please
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Friend! You write too short. Right?
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McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
then stop ignoring the truth
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It is equally valid for everybody. Right? Please
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McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
yes, but don't use that cop out to continue ignoring truths you dislike.
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