Interesting... Concerning weighted voting, I'm sure many people will oppose it as its almost seems unconstitutional and also depends on how the weight is distributed.
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Voting third party...is a waste of a vote
- Thread starter averageJOE
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Interesting... Concerning weighted voting, I'm sure many people will oppose it as its almost seems unconstitutional and also depends on how the weight is distributed.
It would be up to the voter to give weight to candidates.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
In California, if you vote Republican, you're throwing your vote away as well. The majority will always vote democrats here. So with their reasoning, all Californians should vote democrats, or else we're just throwing our votes away.
I'm going to vote with my conscience, not with what two parties are trying to sell me on. It's not a sales campaign. I vote for who I believe is better fitted, not who they want me to vote for.
So I'm with you, I'm seriously thinking third party.
And see where it's taken us? We just get worse and worse options each time, simply because it doesn't matter what they offer. If you have a restaurant and people are forced to eat there, will you try hard to make the best food? Nope. You don't have to. You can serve slop and people will eat it.
Quality increases most of the time when people have more options. It forces the supplies to compete. Today, there's no competition in the election. Both parties are just as corrupt. We won't get a better government until we're showing our strength by using our rights instead of being sweet talked into stupidity. "Follow the party lines" "Go this way" "Do this" All those things are to force us to be followers instead of leaders.
So again, vote with your heart and mind, not with the party line.
It is a waste. Unless the electoral system is overhauled, none of those third party candidates have a chance or a prayer to win. Until or unless that happens, the only real choice you have is to go with one of the big two that more closely aligns with your beliefs and ideals and support the wing of the party that best reflects you. The parties actually aren't the same and are malleable to the wishes of their constituents.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
The reason we don't, is because we've been fed the propaganda, "Don't vote for the loser. Vote for the winner." It becomes the game of the Riddler (I think it is) in Batman, giving Batman two options, either Albert or his girlfriend (or something like that). Kill either one. But he picks the third option (whatever it was).
First Baseman
Retired athlete
I'm hoping Johnson will win at least one state but I doubt he will. He should have chosen a running mate that would help him carry one swing state that he might have a half decent chance of winning.
averageJOE
zombie
The way third party candidates have a chance is to first break this line of mentality^^^.
This election is the best time to seriously consider other options. (Options that are there for us!) Both parties are seriously divided. Both parties are corrupt. The only way to "overhaul" the electoral system is to actually vote for a third party candidate (assuming you agree with their policies that is). We are the only ones who can get them closer to and/or in the White House. We are the only ones who can get them onto the national debate stage. Voting for someone you hate less than the other is a waste of a vote.
averageJOE
zombie
How does voting third party risk Trump winning the election? Are you under the assumption that only democrats will be split?
How long have you been an American, again?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
No, it's not a waste of a vote. You are voting FOR a candidate that you favor strongly. Already, you are ahead of most of America on that one.
And extending the "logic" of the waste-of-a-vote crowd, means that if one of the major parties' candidates was polling way behind, you'd be wasting a vote on them as well.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I lived here for 20 years (40% of my life, essentially). Naturalized 10 years.
When have you ever seen an American election where it wasn't a sales campaign?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Exactly.
Voting for any candidate who will lose is a "wasted vote." So why not have one candidate that we all vote for, like in any dictatorship? Then no one is wasting any.
Funny that Russia has more options than we do.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
True dat.
And that's why we should vote from what we can learn about all the candidates, not just the ones with most influence and election power. We still might not choose the best one, but to pick one because "otherwise it's a lost vote" is even worse. I never liked the idea of "lost vote" for this reason.
There's no exact science behind this as its a social science but according to polls concerning this electrion, yes, it would hurt the Democrats more.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/06/01/Why-Third-Party-Run-Could-Hurt-Clinton-More-Trump
Bloomberg who's been on the fence of both sides and declared an independent now, went as far as endorsing Clinton last night. The democrats are definitely concerned with third party votes.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
No votes are wasted.
or all votes not cast for the winner must be wasted. Including the runner up.
or all votes not cast for the winner must be wasted. Including the runner up.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
A wasted vote is one that is caste for a person you do not believe will lead the country in the direction you feel it should be going. That old line is total crap.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Hey, Revoltingest......I'm not a Trump fan by a country mile, but I am genuinely interested in your reasoning for favoring him. This is not an attempt to get into a
Trump versus Hillary thing (not especially fond of her, either, although I tend to lean to the left on most things). I simply wish to know....no agendas. If you prefer, a PM is just fine, too.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
Voting for whom you believe in and reflects your ideals is never a waste, when it aligns with your personal conscience.
IMO to rather vote for "someone who can win" is worse than a waste of a vote - it is a slur against your higher self, in an effort to appease the greed and compulsions of the lower self.
IMO to rather vote for "someone who can win" is worse than a waste of a vote - it is a slur against your higher self, in an effort to appease the greed and compulsions of the lower self.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The thing is, voting third party is a waste of time, and you know it while you're doing it because you know not enough people are going to do it for it to make it matter - and you know during the results you're going to be a part of that small bit over there next to the giants.
Now, why so many will only vote Rep and/or Dem is something I do not know or understand. People are fed up with what we have, but yet there will only be a handful of third party victories throughout the nation, with very few of them being of any large-scale significance.
What I'm concerned about isn't the voting, it's the fact that so much is riding on this presidency with the power swing the Supreme Court to the Left or Right - and neither Trump or Pence should be able to run because Trump is going to be in over his head and Pence has already attempted the merge the ultra-Conservative Church with the state. But Hillary really isn't much better, but at least with her we can rest assured knowing she isn't going to put up a Supreme Court nomination who is going to clear the way to teach kids in science classes that god created everything as-is we see it today 6,000 years ago. It's like a cruel twisted joke that we have to put in Hillary to preserve what little sanity is left in America.
I would consider a third party or even a write in for Sanders if there wasn't so much at stake.