Muslims, I Find This Really Offensive

[DawudTalut]

And the evidence that Muhammad's Qur'an was the same as Abu Bakr's Qur'an which was the same as Uthman's Qur'an (barring some minor variations)?

Almost all Companions were alive by the time of Hazrat Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him). Had there been any variation, they would have said so, and same continues at natural pace onward :

"....in the time of the Holy Prophet himself the Quran used to be recorded in writing, was committed to memory and was constantly recited and thousands of people knew the whole of it by heart,...."

"Abu Bakr.......... appointed Zaid bin Thabit, being one of those who used to record the Quran at the dictation of the Holy Prophet, to collect the text of the Quran in one volume and appointed prominent Companions of the Holy Prophet to assist him in the task. Abu Bakr directed that the text of the Quran should be collected from its recorded fragments and that the accuracy of the text should be certified by two persons who knew the whole of the Quran by heart. This task was soon accomplished and a written text of the whole of the Quran was got together in one volume, which was certified as accurate by those who knew it by heart."

"He [Uthman] had copies prepared of the text which had been collected in the time of Abu Bakr..."

"In the time of the Holy Prophet the social life of the Arabs was based upon their tribal divisions ; each tribe led an existence separate from and independent of the others. In their speech they were accustomed to pronounce certain words in accordance with their own practice. When they accepted Islam they were welded into one cultured society and Arabic at once became the vehicle of that culture. Literacy spread very rapidly among the Arabs and it became quite easy for every one of them to adopt the correct literary enunciation of every Arabic word. The language of Mecca became the standard for this purpose. By the time of 'Uthman, therefore, no justification had been left for variations in the enunciation of vowel points in accordance with tribal practices in the recitation of the Quran, particularly when such variations were likely to lead to misconception in the minds of non-Arabs. 'Uthman's very prudent and timely action has been made the basis of the charge by nonMuslim writers that he made changes in the Quran or that the copies of the Quran promulgated by him were in some manner different from the standard text or the text as revealed to the Holy Prophet. These authors imagine that they have discovered a potent weapon of attack against the accuracy of the text of the Quran, but those who are acquainted with the Arabic language and with the history of the compilation of the Quran merely smile at the lack of intelligence betrayed by them. There can thus be no room for doubt that the text of the Quran promulgated by 'Uthman was exactly the same as that revealed to the Holy Prophet. There is still less room for doubt that the text of the Quran has continued absolutely pure and uncorrupted since 'Uthman had despatched copies of the standard text to different parts of the Muslim dominions. These copies were in turn multiplied so extensively and rapidly that very soon almost every literate Muslim possessed his own copy of the Quran. It is recorded that a few years later during the struggle between 'Ali and Mu'awiya the soldiers of the latter's army on one occasion tied copies of the Quran to the points of their lances and proclaimed that the Quran should decide between the two opposing factions (The Caliphate). This shows that by that time it was usual for every Muslim to possess his own copy."
Ref: https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

Unique Divine Promise for Holy Quran
[ch15:v10] Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.

 

[Ana.J]

Emmm.....have you ever thought that most of the teaching might be corrupted be it Bible or Koran? How can you prove your holy book is the only truth? Err is human and the holy scriptures were written and translated by humans. So what is every religion is just a story, a number of laws and beliefs to keep you under control?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Almost all Companions were alive by the time of Hazrat Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him). Had there been any variation, they would have said so, and same continues at natural pace onward :

"....in the time of the Holy Prophet himself the Quran used to be recorded in writing, was committed to memory and was constantly recited and thousands of people knew the whole of it by heart,...."

"Abu Bakr.......... appointed Zaid bin Thabit, being one of those who used to record the Quran at the dictation of the Holy Prophet, to collect the text of the Quran in one volume and appointed prominent Companions of the Holy Prophet to assist him in the task. Abu Bakr directed that the text of the Quran should be collected from its recorded fragments and that the accuracy of the text should be certified by two persons who knew the whole of the Quran by heart. This task was soon accomplished and a written text of the whole of the Quran was got together in one volume, which was certified as accurate by those who knew it by heart."

"He [Uthman] had copies prepared of the text which had been collected in the time of Abu Bakr..."

"In the time of the Holy Prophet the social life of the Arabs was based upon their tribal divisions ; each tribe led an existence separate from and independent of the others. In their speech they were accustomed to pronounce certain words in accordance with their own practice. When they accepted Islam they were welded into one cultured society and Arabic at once became the vehicle of that culture. Literacy spread very rapidly among the Arabs and it became quite easy for every one of them to adopt the correct literary enunciation of every Arabic word. The language of Mecca became the standard for this purpose. By the time of 'Uthman, therefore, no justification had been left for variations in the enunciation of vowel points in accordance with tribal practices in the recitation of the Quran, particularly when such variations were likely to lead to misconception in the minds of non-Arabs. 'Uthman's very prudent and timely action has been made the basis of the charge by nonMuslim writers that he made changes in the Quran or that the copies of the Quran promulgated by him were in some manner different from the standard text or the text as revealed to the Holy Prophet. These authors imagine that they have discovered a potent weapon of attack against the accuracy of the text of the Quran, but those who are acquainted with the Arabic language and with the history of the compilation of the Quran merely smile at the lack of intelligence betrayed by them. There can thus be no room for doubt that the text of the Quran promulgated by 'Uthman was exactly the same as that revealed to the Holy Prophet. There is still less room for doubt that the text of the Quran has continued absolutely pure and uncorrupted since 'Uthman had despatched copies of the standard text to different parts of the Muslim dominions. These copies were in turn multiplied so extensively and rapidly that very soon almost every literate Muslim possessed his own copy of the Quran. It is recorded that a few years later during the struggle between 'Ali and Mu'awiya the soldiers of the latter's army on one occasion tied copies of the Quran to the points of their lances and proclaimed that the Quran should decide between the two opposing factions (The Caliphate). This shows that by that time it was usual for every Muslim to possess his own copy."
Ref: https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

Unique Divine Promise for Holy Quran
[ch15:v10] Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.

Original sources please.

 

[Britedream]

Emmm.....have you ever thought that most of the teaching might be corrupted be it Bible or Koran? How can you prove your holy book is the only truth? Err is human and the holy scriptures were written and translated by humans. So what is every religion is just a story, a number of laws and beliefs to keep you under control?

You raised valid points, but on a wrong assumption. it shouldn't be a story; any claims that something is from God, must be coupled with proof that is the case, not only for people at its time, but for the time of anyone is required to believe in it.

 

[Ana.J]

You raised valid points, but on a wrong assumption. it shouldn't be a story; any claims that something is from God, must be coupled with proof that is the case, not only for people at its time, but for the time of anyone is required to believe in it.

Agree...but what proof can be possibly provided? Nobody has seen god yet

 

[Akivah]

Allow me to explain something to the readers:

I believe this is a general humane rule, a certain general Islamic rule tho, to allow what's not allowed. I believe it's common sense. Many verses with rules have such complementing details to them, not just this one. It wouldn't be fair for God to let us die with hunger if pork is the only choice there is.

However, that necessity should be valid. Just being suddenly hungry and wanting something to eat, for example, is not a valid necessity.

That's the same in Judaism. "These are the laws we live by", not die by. If it was a choice between eating pork or dying, we would eat the pork.

 

[Britedream]

Agree...but what proof can be possibly provided? Nobody has seen god yet

Your line of reasoning is valid, but you do't have to see something to know that it exists; if you were to see a foot print of a human being, for sure you know, that she or he has passed by. For the proof, it needs to be on another thread.

 

[DawudTalut]

Original sources please.

Peace be on you.
1=Quran, Sunnah (live practice of Holy Prophet -pbuh- ), Ahadith (his saying, collected later) :
The ways Holy Prophet (pbuh) continued as his Sunnah, Quran was read by him and it was read in many thousands in his life time and continued generation after generation.

2= "....if the collective days of prophethood are analysed against the total number of Qur’ānic verses, the average daily revelation equates to less than one verse per day. More or less, the total days of prophethood amount to 7970 days and the total number of verses in the Qur’ān only equal 6236.Since the individual words of the Qur’ān present a grand total of 77,934 words,1 the average number of words per verse equal twelve, which evidently results in an average revelation of approximately nine words per day. Based on these calculations it is obvious that the Holy Qur’ān was revealed very slowly and gradually. Although it is true that there were temporary respites in the revelation of the Holy Qur’ān, there were also certain days when many verses were revealed to the Holy Prophetsa all at once. Nonetheless, the Holy Qur’ān was never revealed in such magnitude as might seem arduous to preserve it by writing or memorize it continually..."

"It was the practice of the Holy Prophetsa that as verses of the Holy Qur’ān were revealed to him, he would dictate them to writing, and under divine knowledge, organize the sequential order of these verses as well. Many Aḥādīth2 have been narrated in this regard and the following Ḥadīth can be presented as an example:

Ḥaḍrat Ibni ‘Abbās who was the paternal cousin of the Holy Prophetsa narrates that Ḥaḍrat ‘Uthmān bin ‘Affān (who served as a scribe in the time of the Holy Prophet sa) would often state that “When several verses were revealed to the Holy Prophet sa all at once, the Holy Prophet sa would summon one of his scribes and instruct that these verses should be written in a certain chapter at the following place. If only one verse was revealed, the Holy Prophet sa would, in the same manner, summon one of his scribes and particularly instruct that this verse be written in the following place.”3

3 Mishkātul-Maṣābīḥ, Kitābu Faḍā’ilil-Qur’ān, Bābu Ikhtilāfil-Qirā’āti wa Jam‘il-Qur’ān, Al-FaṣluthThālith, Ḥadīth No. 2222, Dārul-Kutubil-‘Ilmiyyah, Beirut, Lebanon, First Edition (2003)"


"The names and life histories of the companions of the Holy Prophet sa who were a scribe of revelation have been documented in history and meticulously safeguarded. The most prominent companions among them were Ḥaḍrat Abū Bakrra, Ḥaḍrat ‘Umarra, Ḥaḍrat ‘Uthmānra, Ḥaḍrat ‘Alīra, Zubair bin Al-‘Awwāmra, Sharjīl bin Ḥasanahra, ‘Abdullāh bin Rawāḥahra, Ubaiyy bin Ka‘bra and Zaid bin Thābitra. 1 Based on the above mentioned list it is evident that even in the preliminary stages of Islām, the Holy Prophetsa had at his disposal a reliable company of scribes to commit Qur’ānic revelations to writing. In this manner not only was the Holy Qur’ān preserved in writing but the final sequential order (which happened to be different to that of its revelation due to various wisdoms) was established along the way. After the demise of the Holy Prophet sa, when Qur’ānic revelation was complete, Ḥaḍrat Abū Bakr ra, the first Caliph of the Holy Prophet sa, upon the advice of Hadrat ‘Umar ra, ordered Zaid bin Thābit Anṣāri ra (who had remained a scribe of revelation to the Holy Prophet sa) to compile the Holy Qur’ān systematically whilst preserving it in book-form. Therefore, Zaid bin Thābit ra diligently collected every verse of the Holy Qur’ān on the basis of solid written and verbal testimonies and compiled it into a proper book.2

1 * Fatḥul-Bārī Sharḥu Ṣaḥīḥil-Bukhārī, By Aḥmad bin ‘Alī bin Ḥajar ‘Asqalānī, Volume 9, Kitābu Faḍā’ilil-Qur’ān, Bābu Kātibin-Nabīsa, p. 27, Qadīmī Kutub Khānah, Ārām Bāgh, Karachi * Sharḥul-‘Allāmatiz-Zarqānī ‘alal-Mawāhibil-Ladunniyyah, By Muḥammad bin ‘Abdul-Bāqī AzZarqānī, Part 4, pp. 533-554, Al-Faṣlus-Sādisu fī Umarā’ihī wa Rusulihī wa Kitābihi wa Kutubihī ilā Ahlil-Islām..., Dārul-Kutubil-‘Ilmiyyah, Beirut, Lebanon, First Edition (1996)

2 Ṣaḥīḥ Bukhārī, Kitābu Faḍā’ilil-Qur’ān, Bābu Kātibin-Nabīsa, Ḥadīth No. 4989"

Ref: https://www.alislam.org/holyprophet/Seal-of-Prophets-Vol-1.pdf

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[DawudTalut]

Agree...but what proof can be possibly provided? Nobody has seen god yet .......

Prophecies were turned true in the time of Holy Prophet (pbuh). It was ample proof. They continued to be true now too. Just three examples:

EXAMPLE 1

Ref: https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=818&region=EN&CR=E1,E2&CR=E1,E2

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EXAMPLE 2 NOTE 3046

Ref:https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1136&region=EN&CR=E1,E2&CR=E1,E2

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EXAMPLE 3

Hazrat Imam Baqar Muhammad bin Ali ra has narrated the following Hadees (saying of the Holy Prophet Muhammad sa) :

For our Mahdi (Divine Reformer) there are two signs which have never appeared before since the creation of the heavens and the earth, namely the moon will be eclipsed on the first night in Ramazan (i.e. on the first of the nights on which a lunar eclipse can occur) and the sun will be eclipsed in its middle (i.e. on the middle day of the days on which a solar eclipse can occur), and these signs have not appeared since God created the heavens and the earth.
(Dare Qutani Vol 1, page 188)


Another definite sign, prophecied by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.), about the appearance of his true Mahdi is the special sign of eclipses of the Sun and the Moon. [Mahdi and Promised Messiah are same, according to Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) Ref: Ibne Majah]

Transliteration of the Hadith:
inna lemahdiana aayateney lam takuna muzo khalqis samaawaatey wal arzey tankaseyful qamaro le;awwaley lelatin min ramdhana wa tankasefush shamso fi nisfey minho wa lam takuna munzo khalkallahus samaawaate wal arza.;
[Reference: Imam Muhammad Baqar (ra) wrote in Darqutni]


Translation:
Surely, for our Mahdi there are two signs, which have never been manifested since the creation of the heavens and the earth, there will be eclipse of the Moon on the first night, and there will be eclipse of the Sun on the middle of it. And it has never been happened since the creation of heavens and earth.


Explanation:
Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) said: For our Mahdi, there are two signs, and since the creation of heavens and earth by Allah, these two signs have not appeared in the time of any Appointed One and the Messenger.


One of these signs: In the time of Promised Mahdi, in the month of Ramadhan, lunar eclipe will take place in its first night i.e. on 13 th.
And second signs: Solar eclipse will taken place at the middle of appointed days i.e. on the 28 th of same Ramadhan.


This happening has never occurred for any Prophet or Messenger since the beginning of world. It is destined for Promised Mahdi [the Messiah].


Hazrat Promised Mesiah (a.s.) writes [in 1907] that now all English and Urdu newspapers and experts of Astronomy are witness that in my time, Solar and Lunar eclipses of above mentioned properties has happened (about 12 years ago) in the month of Ramadhan. As it was mentioned in another hadith, these eclipses took place twice; once in India [and Asia in 1894] and then in USA [and northerm hemisphere in 1895].
The story of Eclipses, George F. Chambers, p 33, London, 1902


On both times, these eclipses took place exactly on the dates which were pointed out in the Hadith. BECAUSE at the occurrence of these eclipses, there was no claimant on earth who had claimed to be Promised Mahdi and no one else other than me [wrote the Promised Messiah Mahdi] declared these eciples as sign of his Mahdi-ship and had published large amount of advertisements and magazines in Urdu, Persian and Arabic languages in the world THEREFORE this heavenly signs is fixed for me.


For this fixation there is another proof. 12-years before the occurrence of this sign, God the Exalted foretold me that such a sign would happen and this news was written in ;Brahin e Ahmadiyya; and hundred of thousands people had read it. [First Book of Hazrat Promised Messiah: twice revelation in 1882: qul endi shahadatum minallahey fahal antum mo-menun, (Tell them I have testimony from God, thus will you accept or not?), mentioned in volume 1, page 266 and explained in volume 17, page 63 that first it was about solar eclipse and in second revelation it was about the lunar eclipse.]


It is very sad to note that our opponents present objection that, since the hadith mentioned the lunar eclipse would be on first night and solar eclipse of middle thus lunar eclipse should have happened on first of lunar month and solar eclipse on 15 th of lunar month.


Hazrat Promised Messiah (a.s.) answers that it is the ignorance of these people because, from the beginning of time, in the natural law of God, lunar eclipe takes place on either of 13, 14 and 15 th of lunar month and solar eclipe takes place on either of 27, 28 and 29 th of lunar month. Therefore, hadith meant that promised lunar eclipe would happen on 13 th of lunar month [i.e the 1 st of possible dates for lunar eclipe] and soalr eclipe would happen on 28 th of lunar month [i.e the middle of possible dates for solar eclipe]


Exactly as hadith foretold, lunar eclipse took place on 13 th of month of Ramadhan and solar eclipse took place on 28 th of same Ramadhan.


Another thing, Hazrat Promised Messiah Mahdi (a.s.) points out: The hadith has used the word qamar; for moon. In Arabic, the moon of first night is not called qamar. For first 3 days [some people say 7], moon is called hilal.



Another objection: What is unusual if lunar eclipse happened on 13 th and solar eclipse happened on 28 of same month of Ramadhan? Is it unique?

Answer by Hazrat Promised Messiah (a.s.) : The purpose of hadith is not to tell that it never happened on any previous month of Ramadhan. The means that: Never in the time of any claimant of Messenger-ship or Prophethood , both eciples took place in one month of Ramadhan. If it had so happened, bring the proof. It is well known that in the Islamic year 1300 Hijrah, several people falsely claimed to be Mahdi and fought wars. Did any promised lunar and solar eclipses got together in same month of Ramadhan.


In fact, lunar and solar eclipse in the month of same Ramadhan while there was already present a claimer of being Mahdi is extraordinary.


Not only hadith but Holy Quran has pointed to this occurrence:
[Holy Quran chapter 75 : verses 9,10,11]

Transaltion:
And the moon is eclipsed. (75:9)
And the sun and the moon are brought together. (75:10)
On that day, human will say, Whither to escape. (75:11)


That last verse points that because this will happen as fulfillment of prophecy about Promised Mahdi, it will be completion of argument upon those who deny.


Objection: The hadith is not marfu muttasil, it is only words of Imam Baqir (may Allah be pleased with him).

Answer by Hazrat Promised Messiah Mahdi (a.s.) :
a) The leaders from Ahlul Bait [Family of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.)] due to personal respect, would not consider compulsory to connet the words of hadith, through intermediate narrators, to Holy Prophet (s.a.w.). Their this way is kown.. Imam Darqutni has written these words in Sayings of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.).

b) This hadith is about a hidden matter. It materialized after 1300 years. It meant that, when Promised Mahdi will appear, in his time the luar eclipse on 13 th of month of Ramadhan and solar eclipse on 28 th of same month of Ramadhan will take place. Such events will not happen in the time of any claimant except in the time of Promised Mahdi.It is evident that telling such hidden (like the one in hadith of eclipses), cannot be told by anyone other than a Prophet. Allah the Exalted, states in the Holy Quran:
..la yuzhayro alaa ghaybehee ahadan illa manirtazaa mir rasulin (72:27-28)
.He reveals not His secrets to any one – Except to him whom He chooses, namely a Messenger (of His) (72:27-28)

Thus the objections about hadith of eclipses being weak or to say it is the words of Imam Baqqar, are flimsy excuses. The truth is that objection raisers do not want fulfillment of any prophecy of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) or Holy Quran. World is ending [1000 years era] but they say that still no prophecy about latter days has fulfilled.

Which Hadith can be more true than this one (about eclipses) which has shown its great correctness by its coming true.
.it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the breasts that are blind. (22:47)

Many previous to Hazrat Promised Messiah Mahdi (a.s.) religious scholars and hadith-experts used to cry to see this sign of eclipse happen. Some of the passed away pious men had written in their couplets that when eclipses to moon and sun will take palce, placell be the sign of appearances of Promised Mahdi and Dajjal (anti-Christ). In one verse the exact year of eclipses was mentioned too.

Please feel the love, affection and closeness in Holy Prophet (s.a.w.)'s opening words for his beloved Mahdi [the Messiah] in the hadith of eclipses inna lemahdiana; i.e. Surely, for ourMahdi and use of our also prophecied about false claimers; they appeared but disappeared. Only the real one, the our flourished.

Reference: Based on Ruhani Khazain, Volume 22, by Hazrat Promised Messiah Mahdi (on whom be peace). The promised and ardent devotee of Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him), alislam.org

Peace and Good wishes to everyone.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Peace be on you.
1=Quran, Sunnah (live practice of Holy Prophet -pbuh- ), Ahadith (his saying, collected later) :
The ways Holy Prophet (pbuh) continued as his Sunnah, Quran was read by him and it was read in many thousands in his life time and continued generation after generation.

2= "....if the collective days of prophethood are analysed against the total number of Qur’ānic verses, the average daily revelation equates to less than one verse per day. More or less, the total days of prophethood amount to 7970 days and the total number of verses in the Qur’ān only equal 6236.Since the individual words of the Qur’ān present a grand total of 77,934 words,1 the average number of words per verse equal twelve, which evidently results in an average revelation of approximately nine words per day. Based on these calculations it is obvious that the Holy Qur’ān was revealed very slowly and gradually. Although it is true that there were temporary respites in the revelation of the Holy Qur’ān, there were also certain days when many verses were revealed to the Holy Prophetsa all at once. Nonetheless, the Holy Qur’ān was never revealed in such magnitude as might seem arduous to preserve it by writing or memorize it continually..."

"It was the practice of the Holy Prophetsa that as verses of the Holy Qur’ān were revealed to him, he would dictate them to writing, and under divine knowledge, organize the sequential order of these verses as well. Many Aḥādīth2 have been narrated in this regard and the following Ḥadīth can be presented as an example:

Ḥaḍrat Ibni ‘Abbās who was the paternal cousin of the Holy Prophetsa narrates that Ḥaḍrat ‘Uthmān bin ‘Affān (who served as a scribe in the time of the Holy Prophet sa) would often state that “When several verses were revealed to the Holy Prophet sa all at once, the Holy Prophet sa would summon one of his scribes and instruct that these verses should be written in a certain chapter at the following place. If only one verse was revealed, the Holy Prophet sa would, in the same manner, summon one of his scribes and particularly instruct that this verse be written in the following place.”3

3 Mishkātul-Maṣābīḥ, Kitābu Faḍā’ilil-Qur’ān, Bābu Ikhtilāfil-Qirā’āti wa Jam‘il-Qur’ān, Al-FaṣluthThālith, Ḥadīth No. 2222, Dārul-Kutubil-‘Ilmiyyah, Beirut, Lebanon, First Edition (2003)"


"The names and life histories of the companions of the Holy Prophet sa who were a scribe of revelation have been documented in history and meticulously safeguarded. The most prominent companions among them were Ḥaḍrat Abū Bakrra, Ḥaḍrat ‘Umarra, Ḥaḍrat ‘Uthmānra, Ḥaḍrat ‘Alīra, Zubair bin Al-‘Awwāmra, Sharjīl bin Ḥasanahra, ‘Abdullāh bin Rawāḥahra, Ubaiyy bin Ka‘bra and Zaid bin Thābitra. 1 Based on the above mentioned list it is evident that even in the preliminary stages of Islām, the Holy Prophetsa had at his disposal a reliable company of scribes to commit Qur’ānic revelations to writing. In this manner not only was the Holy Qur’ān preserved in writing but the final sequential order (which happened to be different to that of its revelation due to various wisdoms) was established along the way. After the demise of the Holy Prophet sa, when Qur’ānic revelation was complete, Ḥaḍrat Abū Bakr ra, the first Caliph of the Holy Prophet sa, upon the advice of Hadrat ‘Umar ra, ordered Zaid bin Thābit Anṣāri ra (who had remained a scribe of revelation to the Holy Prophet sa) to compile the Holy Qur’ān systematically whilst preserving it in book-form. Therefore, Zaid bin Thābit ra diligently collected every verse of the Holy Qur’ān on the basis of solid written and verbal testimonies and compiled it into a proper book.2

1 * Fatḥul-Bārī Sharḥu Ṣaḥīḥil-Bukhārī, By Aḥmad bin ‘Alī bin Ḥajar ‘Asqalānī, Volume 9, Kitābu Faḍā’ilil-Qur’ān, Bābu Kātibin-Nabīsa, p. 27, Qadīmī Kutub Khānah, Ārām Bāgh, Karachi * Sharḥul-‘Allāmatiz-Zarqānī ‘alal-Mawāhibil-Ladunniyyah, By Muḥammad bin ‘Abdul-Bāqī AzZarqānī, Part 4, pp. 533-554, Al-Faṣlus-Sādisu fī Umarā’ihī wa Rusulihī wa Kitābihi wa Kutubihī ilā Ahlil-Islām..., Dārul-Kutubil-‘Ilmiyyah, Beirut, Lebanon, First Edition (1996)

2 Ṣaḥīḥ Bukhārī, Kitābu Faḍā’ilil-Qur’ān, Bābu Kātibin-Nabīsa, Ḥadīth No. 4989"

Ref: https://www.alislam.org/holyprophet/Seal-of-Prophets-Vol-1.pdf

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And when were these sources compiled/written?

 

[DawudTalut]

And when were these sources compiled/written?

Sunnah source began with the life of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.). Followers began to follow and pass it on to next generations immediately, Quran was recited five times a day in Salaat, in Ramadhan and all the times as soon as it came........ Even if there was no Hadith, Quran was immediately recorded in memories. .......But later 150 + years, hadith were recorded........Hadith supports Quran and Sunnah. Quran is judge over other two.

[hadith @ page 91 @ https://www.alislam.org/library/books/BasicsReligiousEducation.pdf]

By way of observation, no one sees any change in text of Quran in latter centuries, even in times when Muslims lost worldly glory........So please rest assured Quran remained unchanged in the early times too.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

But later 150 + years, hadith were recorded

Indeed.

Now, my question 'Did Muhammad (p) ever read the Qur'an even once in the whole of his life as we find it today?', was intended as a direct response to the questions 'Did Jesus ever read the Gospels even once in whole of his life as we find it today? Please' and 'Did Moses ever read the Torah even once in whole of his life as we find it today? Please' (I know that it wasn't you who posed these questions).

Since all the sources to which you have pointed (which are by the way necessarily biased insofar as they are Muslim sources - what about independent, non-Muslim sources (which of course have their own biases)?) date to (some time) after the death of Muhammad (p), can we really be sure that Muhammad's Qur'an was the same as that we have today? We are ultimately dependent on oral sources, and therefore someone's say-so. I certainly don't think we can really be any surer than we can about whether Jesus (p) ever read the Gospels once as we find them today, or that Moses ever read the Torah once as we find it today. Islam is in that respect no better than Judaism or Christianity. That is really all I wanted to say. It comes down to what one believes. (I should say here that my own personal beliefs, which include Jesus (p) and Muhammad (p) as teachers to whom I look for guidance, don't themselves in this sense have any sounder basis either)

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yeah, these are non-certified and unauthenticated publications.