But you are statistically more likely to set them up with problems if you go the other route. About 90% of the children treated at CAMH-GIC were living healthy "cis" lives 10 years later. Those that became trans were referred to the proper medical practices for their transition.
It seems to me the big issue is over this question: While gender identity is still fluid is it wrong to intervene early to create the highest probability that a person's identity will conform to their sex. Considering the host of issues that being trans involves, including extremely heightened risk of suicide, body dissatisfaction leading to pharmacological and surgical intervention, social issues including romance, the inability to have children, etc. I don't see how anyone excepting that they are driven beyond the concern for the individual patient, say a political agenda, could come to the conclusion that it is wrong to so intervene.
I don't know anything about this 90% thing people have been throwing on this topic, other than I vaguely recall the OP saying that but I thought it was exposed as being effectively untrustworthy. This literally goes against everything I've ever known about transgender people, but maybe that's done by expanding the definition way beyond what it traditionally means.
As for gender being fluid, the *only* place I have ever heard that is Tumblr. I have never once seen anything confirming that gender is fluid, only evidence showing that it's very static and most factors are determined by a young age, but that a lot are determined before birth.
Now, if someone is more comfortable living with their body as they were born with it, they don't have gender dypshoria. they might just be nonconformative and that's totally fine! They might even be transgender in a sense that they are androgynous or bigender and are comfortable with their body.
However if they are MtF or FtM ect, transition is often nessisary to successfully treat gender
dysphoria. That last word is key. You can be transgender but not have dypshoria and be fine with your body.
I just thought you should know there are probably around 103 people on this forum that are trans, but a local massing of them doesn't mean they are more common.
I do not trust American stats because on this issue it is way behind in acceptance. 4 in 100,000 are trans, 8 in 100,000 get hit by lightning! (I just thought this was funny!)
Anyway, I am on the debate team at school and what you are doing is called anecdotal evidence, and statistical misrepresentation or sharpshooting. The question was about your lifestyle not about data and you are being evasive with me. Are you deceiving me or mis-representing the claims? That's what I've been trying to figure out! I cannot trust your facts, because I can't find them. News media isn't valid for a source, in general, for any debate. So, I have questions of your assertions and I decided that I will ask about _you_... Then you just dodge... You have absolutely no credibility.
Something I've noticed about debate teams and the culture they breed, is they use a lot of fallacies to "win" or be "right" instead of being accurate and finding the truth. The truth isn't found over arguing.
So here is how someone debates in a critical sense; refutation.
First, where do you get the idea that 103 people on the forums are transgender? You say you don't trust "american stats" or "facts" because you can't find the numbers. It would be more sensible to ask for a source than just say it must be bunk.
Second, being on a debate team doesn't lend your argument any more strength. It's an appeal at best.
Third, if you want to dismiss any anecdotal evidence, why interrogate someone about their "lifestyle"? Anecdotal evidence is useful when it illustrates what is already backed up by solid evidence, as I did in post #107 just two above this one. It's the least useful evidence, but it shouldn't be used primarily as evidence.
Fourth, he's being evasive because you are asking something that doesn't really make sense. Let me illustrate: If I asked you about your cis-gendered lifestyle, wouldn't that be weird? Is it a lifestyle? What about you being born a woman, really makes it a lifestyle? I'm who I am, gender wise, but that doesn't define the "style" I live my life in. No no, my lifestyle is music, plaid, religion, cats, living alone and loving pizza. That's a lifestyle. Not someone's gender. Also even if you did have a real question for
@Saint Frankenstein he isn't obligated to give out personal details. It's not really even pertinent to the conversation or debate.
Not only that, but you asked for the personal details of his life and kept insisting while also saying he was using anecdotal evidence... it seems more like you were asking him to use anecdotal evidence. Also it could come off as harassment if you keep pushing the issue. He didn't volunteer any details and doesn't have to, as I said it's not pertinent to the conversation.
I feel really bad for transgender people because of all that nosiness they must have to deal with whenever anyone finds out. Most of the trans people I've talked to share this as an experience. It can be 20 or 30 years after they transition, someone finds out, and they still ask annoying nosy questions. It's like people think they don't need to respect boundaries anymore.
I really, really do believe all of them when they tell me and others that people obsess over it more than they think about it. I really do believe that once they transition, it's hardly if ever a thought on their mind.
If paying for your health care includes hormones and cutting I do not think I can support that because we do not pay for everyone else's cosmetic surgery. If you want to dress as a man I think it hurts no if you live that way.
HRT is already paid for when someone gets hurt or has hormonal inbalances. Transgender people are such a super small amount of the population, that the price of including them as covered for procedures and health services that already exist is neligable.
Hormone replacement therapy is *not* cosmetic! Hormones affect a lot of stuff; libedo, mood, metabolism, ect. Basically it's hormones and the response to hormones that form gender. HRT for transgender people just do it much later in life.
Boys actually start off as girls in the womb, but a gene in the Y chromozone responds to androgen and causes the sexual organs morph to become male and masculinizes the body. There is actually a disorder where this gene doesn't work or isn't present, androgen insensitivity disorder often go on in life thinking they are XX as they are fully female head to toe and only later find out they are XY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
Hormones literally determine our gender, not a Y chromozone.
This post didn't make any sense really, but this part in particular is wrong. No one chooses to be trans, it's determined almost entirely by biology.
While I know that
@Mister Emu refuted this:
Transgender isn't about gender roles, but about there being a distress at the biological sex.
I'd like to add to what he said by pointing out that the type of distress that is being talked about is *only* treatable by transition. That is what the DSM-V says is the only treatment for gender dypshoria anyway. I'd also agree though with what some people said about waiting for a kid to become older before transitioning. There are some cases where it makes sense to do it before they are 18, but I'd argue that it's safer to wait a bit since our brains don't fully develop until we are 20-25. Particularly with the Tumblr-esque crowds these days it's too easy to be convinced you are transgender when really you are just looking for where you belong or trying to figure out who you are. That's also why having a psychologist trained in LGBT issues or a gender specialist is important and recommended.
That isn't the definition of crazy lol. Gender is about so much more than gender roles. Note the word roles, it's modifying the word gender. It is separate from the concept of gender itself. It might be better to say that gender roles and expressions vary wildly across different cultures. Parts of Indonesia have as many as 5 genders, India has 3, the ancient Romans had only one, and most of the western world today sees 2 but is seeing others. There is a history of transgender people and even in the Arab world in the Middle Ages they had accommodations for transgender people if they did what they had available for transitioning (obviously they did it different back then but this is largely a topic for another time).
Also the rest was already refuted.
@Saint Frankenstein and
@Shadow Wolf know a lot more about this than me, I'd really recommend you thoroughly read their posts.
You're not being rude, so don't worry. Keep posting.
Perhaps not intentionally rude, but surely ignorant and misinformed.
that ICP is a metal group.
Not that I like ICP, but you have to be pretty dumb (or a poe) to make this kind of mistake. Metallica might as well be Jay-Z.
