Attacks On Israel Broaden Beyond Hamas

[Revoltingest]

As expected, Israel's brutality towards Palestinians
escalating to the level of genocide has inspired other
groups to attack Israel. Even if it were possible to
exterminate Hamas, Israel continues conducting
itself in the manner that created Hamas in the 1st
place.
So even before Hamas is gone, the Houthis
appear to have joined the fray.

Houthi cruise missile hits Israel in ominous first

The Israel Defense Forces said a "suspicious aerial target" struck an open area near Eilat.

www.newsweek.com

Consider also that a vacuum created by Hamas's
extermination would be filled by Hezbollah,
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigades,
& The Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine.

 

[oldbadger]

As expected, Israel's brutality towards Palestinians
escalating to the level of genocide has inspired other
groups to attack Israel. Even if it were possible to
exterminate Hamas, Israel continues conducting
itself in the manner that created Hamas in the 1st
place.
So even before Hamas is gone, the Houthis
appear to have joined the fray.

Houthi cruise missile hits Israel in ominous first

The Israel Defense Forces said a "suspicious aerial target" struck an open area near Eilat.

www.newsweek.com

Consider also that a vacuum created by Hamas's
extermination would be filled by Hezbollah,
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigades,
& The Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine.

Well......yes.
Netanyahou and the IDF seem to be determined to damage Israel's image and anything left of its reputation ........completely.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well......yes.
Netanyahou and the IDF seem to be determined to damage Israel's image and anything left of its reputation ........completely.

That's an interesting way to phrase things, ie,
addressing Israel's image & reputation. While
I see Israel creating greatly increased enmity.

 

[oldbadger]

That's an interesting way to phrase things, ie,
addressing Israel's image & reputation. While
I see Israel creating greatly increased enmity.

I can see that as well.

 

[icehorse]

Consider also that a vacuum created by Hamas's
extermination would be filled by Hezbollah,
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigades,
& The Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine.

Is Hamas significantly different than any of those?

 

[Revoltingest]

Is Hamas significantly different than any of those?

I don't know.
But they're all significantly similar
in being enemies of Israel....which
is the point.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I notice that Russia's getting hammered, too. I always did say that Russia was actually part of the West. It wants so much to be European, but its Western.

 

[icehorse]

I don't know.
But they're all significantly similar
in being enemies of Israel....which
is the point.

Islamists perceive many enemies, and bloody Islamic conquests are currently underway in many parts of the world.

I think perhaps THAT is the point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is a pity that the UN is toothless. They could make a decision and enforce it. But no one wants the UN to take the risk of having the UN telling them what to do.

 

[Twilight Hue]

As expected, Israel's brutality towards Palestinians
escalating to the level of genocide has inspired other
groups to attack Israel. Even if it were possible to
exterminate Hamas, Israel continues conducting
itself in the manner that created Hamas in the 1st
place.
So even before Hamas is gone, the Houthis
appear to have joined the fray.

Houthi cruise missile hits Israel in ominous first

The Israel Defense Forces said a "suspicious aerial target" struck an open area near Eilat.

www.newsweek.com

Consider also that a vacuum created by Hamas's
extermination would be filled by Hezbollah,
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigades,
& The Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine.

Yes. I'm sure the gas chambers and the concentration camps are in full swing now.

 

[Revoltingest]

Islamists perceive many enemies, and bloody Islamic conquests are currently underway in many parts of the world.

I think perhaps THAT is the point.

From your posts, especially this one, I discern
that you blame Islam itself for every conflict.
And that you ignore the possibility that some
Muslims would be peaceful were it not for
provocation, ie, Israel imposing apartheid,
poverty, starvation, & genocide upon them.
That is dangerous.

 

[Nakosis]

As expected, Israel's brutality towards Palestinians
escalating to the level of genocide has inspired other
groups to attack Israel. Even if it were possible to
exterminate Hamas, Israel continues conducting
itself in the manner that created Hamas in the 1st
place.
So even before Hamas is gone, the Houthis
appear to have joined the fray.

Houthi cruise missile hits Israel in ominous first

The Israel Defense Forces said a "suspicious aerial target" struck an open area near Eilat.

www.newsweek.com

Consider also that a vacuum created by Hamas's
extermination would be filled by Hezbollah,
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigades,
& The Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine.

Are you saying new antisemitism is the fault of the government of Israel?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes. I'm sure the gas chambers and the concentration camps are in full swing now.

Israel's style of genocide does indeed embody the
spirit of Nazi Germany, ie, demonize, dehumanize,
& deprive of existence. But Israel's style is more
palatable to western allies. It kills with less intention
towards particular individuals. Instead it has the
death at a distance method. An impersonal bomb
does the killing. So they can pretend their hands
are clean.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you saying new antisemitism is the fault of the government of Israel?

Israel is culpable for violent resistance to its history
of oppression, apartheid, thievery, & other human
rights abuses against Muslims / Palestinians.

It is false to dismiss Israel's foes as anti-Semites,
ie, that it's solely religious bigotry against Jews.
This ignores their fighting Israel because of the
evil it has perpetrated for over half a century.
An evil supported by USA & others.

 

[icehorse]

From your posts, especially this one, I discern
that you blame Islam itself for every conflict.
And that you ignore the possibility that some
Muslims would be peaceful were it not for
provocation, ie, Israel imposing apartheid,
poverty, starvation, & genocide upon them.
That is dangerous.

I blame Islamists when they're the aggressors, which all over the world, is often.

I agree that some Muslims are peaceful, but they all follow a faith - by their own choice - that is not fundamentally peaceful.

As for your thoughts on provocation and your thoughts on Israel, I disagree and I don't either of us will change the other's mind on this point.

 

[Revoltingest]

I blame Islamists when they're the aggressors, which all over the world, is often.

Even in Israel & its controlled territory?

As for your thoughts on provocation and your thoughts on Israel, I disagree and I don't either of us will change the other's mind on this point.

I never expected to.
I'm a heathen. No group is inherently
superior & or more entitled than any other.
Religion, gender, trans/cis, sex, politics.
All equally human.

 

[icehorse]

Even in Israel & its controlled territory?

I'm curious to know what path you think Israel should follow?

I'm a heathen. No group is inherently
superior & or more entitled than any other.
Religion, gender, trans/cis, sex, politics.
All equally human.

That sounds to me like moral relativism, is that your stance?

I think that ultimately we can have objective morals - never perfect - but mostly workable.

For example, I think misogyny, homophobia, antisemitism, and theocracy are less entitled than their counterparts.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm curious to know what path you think Israel should follow?

End genocide.
End apartheid.
End imprisonment without trial.
Truth & reconciliation process.
Reparations.

That sounds to me like moral relativism, is that your stance?

I'm a moral relativist, so of course.
There is no absolute universally true morality.
No supreme being speaketh it unto us.

I think that ultimately we can have objective morals - never perfect - but mostly workable.

Objective morality is an illusion.
Otherwise we'd have universally
agreed upon premises.

For example, I think misogyny, homophobia, antisemitism, and theocracy are less entitled than their counterparts.

I oppose those things.
It's my opinion.
But they're being wrongful isn't not factual.

 

[icehorse]

End genocide.
End apartheid.
End imprisonment without trial.
Truth & reconciliation process.
Reparations.

I don't think those things are happening. But for the sake of discussion, do you imagine that if all that occurred, Muslims would grant Israel peace? I do not, not for a minute.

I'm a moral relativist, so of course.
There is no absolute universally true morality.
No supreme being speaketh it unto us.

As I said, never perfect, but workable. And I'm with you, when it comes to there being no god.

I oppose those things.
It's my opinion.
But they're being wrongful isn't not factual.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. I think if we want peace, we must accept a few philosophical axioms. I understand relativism, I just think it's monumentally impractical.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I don't think those things are happening. But for the sake of discussion, do you imagine that if all that occurred, Muslims would grant Israel peace? I do not, not for a minute.

Maybe some Muslims won't. I'd be willing to bet that some nationalistic folks that also happen to be Muslim won't. But it's worth it to try.

One of my criticisms about any religiously-based state is that the combination of faith-based idealism and state nationalism lead to extremely irrational violence and governance. I try to distinguish between the religious individuals that make up a faith and a state that has an identity associated with religion. This goes for all faiths. Once a religious group associates their nation with their faith, how is one to adequately compromise and work towards positive relationships with others? It's certainly possible, but "My nation is God's (whatever name is given for your deity) nation" gets in the way of accepting that "One Nation Under God" is really just "One Nation Amongst Others in a Global Civilization."

Note: I am not antisemitic. Judaism is a fine religious faith with beautiful customs and beliefs. I am just critical of Israel's response while also accepting that a Muslim state can also be capable of horrible imperialistic actions. That includes understanding that my own country that likes to cosplay as a religious state sometimes is very much responsible for some of the violence that occurs in the Middle East from our own imperialistic actions that involve killing innocent people.

PS: Nothing against cosplaying. Best word I could think of on a Sunday morning to describe a country founded as a secular state that uses terms like "One Nation Under God" and "In God We Trust" and has a history of using religion to subjugate other people.