Are there Homo neanderthalensis in Heaven?

[MikeF]

According to the UB revelation we live in a vast universe with 7 Trillion inhabited worlds. There are many different types of life both material and celestial. What we call humans vary in type. 1 brained, 2 brained 3 brained. There are worlds of non-breathers, those planets have no oxygen in the atmosphere, AND evolve under the threat of meteoric bombardment. There are "Midway creatures", the permanent residents of the evolutionary worlds. They exist outside our range of vision and do not produce heat.

An excerpt:

OTHER LOCAL UNIVERSE GROUPS​

37:10.3 The Spornagia. The architectural headquarters worlds of the local universe are real worlds—physical creations. There is much work connected with their physical upkeep, and herein we have the assistance of a group of physical creatures called spornagia. They are devoted to the care and culture of the material phases of these headquarters worlds, from Jerusem to Salvington. Spornagia are neither spirits nor persons; they are an animal order of existence, but if you could see them, you would agree that they seem to be perfect animals.

37:10.4 The various courtesy colonies are domiciled on Salvington and elsewhere. We especially profit from the ministry of the celestial artisans on the constellations and benefit from the activities of the reversion directors, who operate chiefly on the capitals of the local systems.

37:10.5 Always there is attached to the universe service a corps of ascending mortals, including the glorified midway creatures. These ascenders, after attaining Salvington, are used in an almost endless variety of activities in the conduct of universe affairs. From each level of achievement these advancing mortals reach back and down to extend a helping hand to their fellows who follow them in the upward climb. Such mortals of temporary sojourn on Salvington are assigned on requisition to practically all corps of celestial personalities as helpers, students, observers, and teachers.

37:10.6 There are still other types of intelligent life concerned with the administration of a local universe, but the plan of this narrative does not provide for the further revelation of these orders of creation. Enough of the life and administration of this universe is being herewith portrayed to afford the mortal mind a grasp of the reality and grandeur of the survival existence. Further experience in your advancing careers will increasingly reveal these interesting and charming beings. This narrative cannot be more than a brief outline of the nature and work of the manifold personalities who throng the universes of space administering these creations as enormous training schools, schools wherein the pilgrims of time advance from life to life and from world to world until they are lovingly dispatched from the borders of the universe of their origin to the higher educational regime of the superuniverse and thence on to the spirit-training worlds of Havona and eventually to Paradise and the high destiny of the finaliters—the eternal assignment on missions not yet revealed to the universes of time and space.

37:10.7 [Dictated by a Brilliant Evening Star of Nebadon, Number 1,146 of the Created Corps.]

Is English or the very least an Indo-European-like language the official language of the Cosmos? I only ask because it is surprising to me that place names in far off galaxies should have such Indo-European sounding names like Jerusem and Salvington, the latter sounding very English.

 

[Audie]

Is English or the very least an Indo-European-like language the official language of the Cosmos? I only ask because it is surprising to me that place names in far off galaxies should have such Indo-European sounding names like Jerusem and Salvington, the latter sounding very English.

The only reason

 

[Subduction Zone]

But no H. erectus?

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Homo erectus is the YEC "missing link". I make that claim because noted creationist at one time declared Homo erectus to be 100% ape. And at another time he declared it to be 100% man. Oddly enough he was right both times.

 

[Colt]

Is English or the very least an Indo-European-like language the official language of the Cosmos? I only ask because it is surprising to me that place names in far off galaxies should have such Indo-European sounding names like Jerusem and Salvington, the latter sounding very English.

No, the Universe Language is far more sophisticated. They had to translate into the English language which by necessity meant dumbing down concepts so we could possibly understand them.



IN THE MINDS of the mortals of Urantia—that being the name of your world—there exists great confusion respecting the meaning of such terms as God, divinity, and deity. Human beings are still more confused and uncertain about the relationships of the divine personalities designated by these numerous appellations. Because of this conceptual poverty associated with so much ideational confusion, I have been directed to formulate this introductory statement in explanation of the meanings which should be attached to certain word symbols as they may be hereinafter used in those papers which the Orvonton corps of truth revealers have been authorized to translate into the English language of Urantia.

0:0.2 It is exceedingly difficult to present enlarged concepts and advanced truth, in our endeavor to expand cosmic consciousness and enhance spiritual perception, when we are restricted to the use of a circumscribed language of the realm. But our mandate admonishes us to make every effort to convey our meanings by using the word symbols of the English tongue. We have been instructed to introduce new terms only when the concept to be portrayed finds no terminology in English which can be employed to convey such a new concept partially or even with more or less distortion of meaning.

0:0.3 In the hope of facilitating comprehension and of preventing confusion on the part of every mortal who may peruse these papers, we deem it wise to present in this initial statement an outline of the meanings to be attached to numerous English words which are to be employed in designation of Deity and certain associated concepts of the things, meanings, and values of universal reality.

0:0.4 But in order to formulate this Foreword of definitions and limitations of terminology, it is necessary to anticipate the usage of these terms in the subsequent presentations. This Foreword is not, therefore, a finished statement within itself; it is only a definitive guide designed to assist those who shall read the accompanying papers dealing with Deity and the universe of universes which have been formulated by an Orvonton commission sent to Urantia for this purpose.

0:0.5 Your world, Urantia, is one of many similar inhabited planets which comprise the local universe of Nebadon. This universe, together with similar creations, makes up the superuniverse of Orvonton, from whose capital, Uversa, our commission hails. Orvonton is one of the seven evolutionary superuniverses of time and space which circle the never-beginning, never-ending creation of divine perfection—the central universe of Havona. At the heart of this eternal and central universe is the stationary Isle of Paradise, the geographic center of infinity and the dwelling place of the eternal God.

0:0.6 The seven evolving superuniverses in association with the central and divine universe, we commonly refer to as the grand universe; these are the now organized and inhabited creations. They are all a part of the master universe, which also embraces the uninhabited but mobilizing universes of outer space." UB 1955

 

[MikeF]

No, the Universe Language is far more sophisticated. They had to translate into the English language which by necessity meant dumbing down concepts so we could possibly understand them.

Well, there ya go. Mystery explained..

 

[Alien826]

All living things are chillin in heaven together

I'm hoping for just me and dogs. Though I'll accept a sub-division.

 

[Audie]

I'm hoping for just me and dogs. Though I'll accept a sub-division.

Most sensible answer to the q

 

[Hamilton]

I don't believe Homo Neanderthalensis is different species. But, I believe it is in any case so that righteous will have eternal life.

You might be right! One way anthropologists have, to gain a reputation, is to discover a new species. Someone find a tooth, and voilá, a new species. And now and then a claim is reversed, not a new species after all. ☹

Having said that, I currently favor the view that Neanderthal (if not a different species) is at least a different race or at least a sub-race. Like Tasmanians and Ainu, through isolation able to maintain racial integrity better than more broadly spread races.

 

[cataway]

This question struck me while reading another thread:

For those that ascribe to a belief in some sort of Heaven, I was curious if your concept of Heaven is open to all species of human being, or if it is limited to your specific species. If your version of Heaven is open to all human species, does it also include non-human species? If it includes other non-human species, is there a cut-off? How low down the evolutionary tree do you go?

just so that you will know ,you do not personally know any one in heaven

 

[MikeF]

just so that you will know ,you do not personally know any one in heaven

Interesting. So no one that I have known who has died has qualified for anyones version of Heaven? Is that what you mean? Or are you saying that you know everyone in Heaven and no one there knows me?

 

[cataway]

Interesting. So no one that I have known who has died has qualified for anyones version of Heaven? Is that what you mean? Or are you saying that you know everyone in Heaven and no one there knows me?

in the bible ,Jesus speaking ,told of a resurrection of the dead . John 11:25
25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; 26 and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all."
John 3:16
16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life"
not saying no one will be going to heaven . the first to be invited were the apostles. to serve even as judges

 

[Audie]

in the bible ,Jesus speaking ,told of a resurrection of the dead . John 11:25
25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; 26 and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all."
John 3:16
16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life"
not saying no one will be going to heaven . the first to be invited were the apostles. to serve even as judges

We all know the bible, even ifn we don't believe it.

And the quote has no bearing on the topic, which
is at what point did people get human enough
to get into heaven- theoretically that is.

There, by all data and reason, was no " first
human" but a group that by fits n starts
became more like modern humans.
We have of those millions a pitiful few
specimens from points a,ong the way.

To supervsimplify tho, it's asking about the
son or daughter that was eligible for heaven
when their mom and dad just were not quite
human enough.


its an absurd question of course. But wheres
the folly? That heaven might have to be full of creatures
much more like rodents or salamanders
or sea cucumbers than human beings...?
Or what.

 

[Audie]

You might be right! One way anthropologists have, to gain a reputation, is to discover a new species. Someone find a tooth, and voilá, a new species. And now and then a claim is reversed, not a new species after all. ☹

Having said that, I currently favor the view that Neanderthal (if not a different species) is at least a different race or at least a sub-race. Like Tasmanians and Ainu, through isolation able to maintain racial integrity better than more broadly spread races.

So define species and give genetic
reasons for your classification.
Better define race too, if you are going to talk about races.

Be sure to explain how the similar
appearance of dog, wolf and coyote
fits into your taxonomy.

If poodle and coyote are " races", then they are races of what?

 

[MikeF]

in the bible ,Jesus speaking ,told of a resurrection of the dead . John 11:25
25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; 26 and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all."
John 3:16
16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life"
not saying no one will be going to heaven . the first to be invited were the apostles. to serve even as judges

I am somewhat confused by the phrase "everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all". Does that mean if you die you must not have exercised faith in Jesus?

So, it seems you take the position that an exercised faith in Jesus is required. That means a whole lot of Homo sapiens throughout the history of mankind did not get in, a vast majority. Can't imagine that there weren't any good and deserving folks in all that multitude. Doesn't seem to be a particularly fair system.

 

[King Phenomenon]

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[cataway]

I am somewhat confused by the phrase "everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all". Does that mean if you die you must not have exercised faith in Jesus?

So, it seems you take the position that an exercised faith in Jesus is required. That means a whole lot of Homo sapiens throughout the history of mankind did not get in, a vast majority. Can't imagine that there weren't any good and deserving folks in all that multitude. Doesn't seem to be a particularly fair system.

yes i understand . its a future event . it will begin to happen at some point after the Armagedón event has happened. we dont know the day or hour. please, i don't want to scare any with the word Armagedón .consider it a seriously one sided conflict , God wins

 

[Hamilton]

So define species and give genetic
reasons for your classification.
Better define race too, if you are going to talk about races.

Bossy, aren't you. I'll accept what all scientists agree on as the definition of species. Oh, wait, they don't. The battle over definition is too murky for me to want to get involved. Go ahead and pick whatever definition you want.

Be sure to explain how the similar
appearance of dog, wolf and coyote
fits into your taxonomy.

I don't need to "fit similar appearances" into anything.

If poodle and coyote are " races", then they are races of what?

"If" "If". No idea. You tell me. You're the one who brought them up. I'd probably just say they are canines, or four legged mammals. Not neanderthals (per the thread question), though, so if only humans or primates or 'whatever' go to heaven, I guess they are out of luck.

 

[1213]

Skull size and shape were different than homo sapiens sapiens and the brain was larger. They had protruding brows and bigger noses. Their jaw was more developed than ours.

Although they were hominid and genetically 99.7% the same as us they are classified as a different species of homo than humans.

If you would look all human skulls today's people have, I am sure you could find as big differences.

 

[Audie]

If you would look all human skulls today's people have, I am sure you could find as big differences.

The surety of total ignorance.

 

[ChristineM]

If you would look all human skulls today's people have, I am sure you could find as big differences.

Really? On average, not really