Abram

[paarsurrey]

Please prove with your good arguments that you are from the chosen one.
Regards

They had Sacred People that acted out the idea of Creation from God and Goddess coming together sexually.

They did this in the Temples as worship to Molech, as well as other Gods.

The Hebrew also brought this Sacred Sex into the Temple, which made it IDOLATRY, and according to Leviticus, - worthy of death.

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Strange! What do the Jews say about it?
Regards

 

[Ingledsva]

Strange! What do the Jews say about it?
Regards

Worthy of death!

They tried to squash all but ONE God worship.

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[Thief]

The angelic might squash everything that won't bow to God the Almighty.

I expect to surrender a knee.

 

[Ingledsva]

The angelic might squash everything that won't bow to God the Almighty.

I expect to surrender a knee.

According to the Bible, the new ONE God Hebrew committed genocide against their own people - Over-and-Over-and-Over, - Killing the Kings, their families, the Priests, and the people, because they chose to worship their old God and Goddess, and brought Sacred Sex back to the Temple.

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[Thief]

According to the Bible, the new ONE God Hebrew committed genocide against their own people - Over-and-Over-and-Over, - Killing the Kings, their families, the Priests, and the people, because they chose to worship their old God and Goddess, and brought Sacred Sex back to the Temple.

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If He be the Almighty.....the knee down may be required.
Your personal opinion could matter to Him.
might not.

 

[Ingledsva]

If He be the Almighty.....the knee down may be required.
Your personal opinion could matter to Him.
might not.

Genocide is evil, - it is murder, - and I do not believe a real God would require such evil.

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[Awoon]

Genocide is evil, - it is murder, - and I do not believe a real God would require such evil.

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If any God can speak for itself we might get an answer. All Gods have Prophets and mediums speaking for them.

I don't think Jesus ever said, "thus sayeth the Lord."

 

[paarsurrey]

Worthy of death!
They tried to squash all but ONE God worship.
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They should have not done that. One- G-d doesn't say that.
Regards

 

[Thief]

Genocide is evil, - it is murder, - and I do not believe a real God would require such evil.

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and if you let the evil take over the earth.....nothing of grace will ever come up from the dust.
It might as well all be dust.

So instead of complete extinction......choose a few that do better....start over.

 

[Ingledsva]

and if you let the evil take over the earth.....nothing of grace will ever come up from the dust.
It might as well all be dust.

So instead of complete extinction......choose a few that do better....start over.

And how exactly is choosing your old Goddess and God - over a new one - evil in need of murder? And it is not a few. I believe someone posted a chart awhile back.

As I have said before, - it is these things that tell me the God of the Bible is not God.

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[Thief]

And how exactly is choosing your old Goddess and God - over a new one - evil in need of murder? And it is not a few. I believe someone posted a chart awhile back.

As I have said before, - it is these things that tell me the God of the Bible is not God.

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Do you believe in an Almighty?

 

[Blastcat]

You people do understand.....I posted as if Abram would offer proof.
I suspect it was not God's idea.

I do strongly suspect....when dealing with the presence of Something Greater.....people overreact.
They then make offerings and pledges they cannot ....nor should......keep.

Oh so it was Abraham's idea. Abraham will display his LOVE for god by KILLING his son.
If I were god.. I'd chastise Abraham for being an evil idiot, and a very bad father indeed.

I'd call child protection.

 

[Thief]

Oh so it was Abraham's idea. Abraham will display his LOVE for god by KILLING his son.
If I were god.. I'd chastise Abraham for being an evil idiot, and a very bad father indeed.

I'd call child protection.

I was posting with speculation....as in what if...

I don't see God as Someone who tests Man.
and somewhere in the book it is written, as such.

So where did the notion of killing a child to pleasure God come from?
I suspect it started with a misplaced sense of sacrifice.

When I read Genesis I notice Cain and Abel are offering sacrifice.
Where did they get that practice?
Was Man already doing so?

I say...yeah.

Picture a scene of a fresh kill and food on the fire.
Something large enough to do so comes sniffing around with interest.
So you sacrifice dinner and throw it to that 'something greater'.

years pass by.....
Next thing you know Man is offering sacrifice to anything bigger than him.
anything and everything.

Then comes that day when someone says to God....I love you more than my own blood.
and God might say .....prove it.....

 

[Awoon]

I was posting with speculation....as in what if...

I don't see God as Someone who tests Man.
and somewhere in the book it is written, as such.

So where did the notion of killing a child to pleasure God come from?
I suspect it started with a misplaced sense of sacrifice.

When I read Genesis I notice Cain and Abel are offering sacrifice.
Where did they get that practice?
Was Man already doing so?

I say...yeah.

Picture a scene of a fresh kill and food on the fire.
Something large enough to do so comes sniffing around with interest.
So you sacrifice dinner and throw it to that 'something greater'.

years pass by.....
Next thing you know Man is offering sacrifice to anything bigger than him.
anything and everything.

Then comes that day when someone says to God....I love you more than my own blood.
and God might say .....prove it.....

All "New Thoughts" introduced in the Bible come from the Human Mind. The ancients didn't say it was from their Mind, they said the "New Thoughts" were from their God.

 

[Blastcat]

I was posting with speculation....as in what if...

Yep, got that. And I answered as if....

II don't see God as Someone who tests Man.
and somewhere in the book it is written, as such.

Ok. god doesn't test man. Heaven and Hell .. are what then.. not test results?

So where did the notion of killing a child to pleasure God come from?
I suspect it started with a misplaced sense of sacrifice.

Ok. Not from god because god has to be good?
You have proof that.. god never asked for a sacrifice?
Proving a negative are we?

When I read Genesis I notice Cain and Abel are offering sacrifice.
Where did they get that practice?
Was Man already doing so?

1. God created mankind.. at least that's what I think the Bible says.
2. God might have or might not have demanded blood sacrifice.
3, Let's call this an unknown.
4. Then.. yeah.. humans performed blood sacrifice. Cain and Able and all of them.
5. By 2, they were told by god to do it, or not.
6. By 3, we don't know. That's unknown.
7, But if all of this is a myth and not real, then it's humans doing blood sacrifice because they have superstitious beliefs and are very barbaric and bloodthirsty.
8. I'm going with 7.

Picture a scene of a fresh kill and food on the fire.
Something large enough to do so comes sniffing around with interest.
So you sacrifice dinner and throw it to that 'something greater'.

I would call that a good idea to give the big nasty beast food so as not to be eaten myself.
But hey.. call that a sacrifice if you like. I'd call it self preservation.

years pass by.....
Next thing you know Man is offering sacrifice to anything bigger than him.
anything and everything.

Yep, coulda been that way. Sounds reasonable.
We don't NEED any real god for this to work, however, but yeah, It can work.

Then comes that day when someone says to God....I love you more than my own blood.
and God might say .....prove it.....

Why would an all knowing god need with proof? An all knowing god has all the proof in the universe it wants or needs.

Prove it to WHO?.. God already knows if Abraham is telling the truth.
God is like an uber Santa Clause that way.

So, Abraham needs to prove what he believes is true to himself? Seems like he already believes that his feelings are truly feels... BUT... let's have some MORE proof, because just truly feeling something isn't like burning your own SON to know if your feelings are "true".

Nothing says truth like blood sacrifice.
I mean, math, science, logic and even common sense is all very nice, but if you REALLY want to know if something is true or not, there's NOTHING like a good old bonfire and a screaming witch or two. A son is better.. but they might be hard to catch at time. Wiley bunch these sons.

Anytime I want to prove to myself that I love someone, the FIRST thing that pops into my mind is to burn one of my kids so that I can find out if my feelings of LOVE are true.

Kids are handy epistemological tools that way. Burn one and truth just happens. Magically.

It's not good enough just to FEEL a great love for someone.
I have to PROVE to myself that I feel a great love for someone.
I do that all the time.

It's just so natural.

 

[Ingledsva]

Do you believe in an Almighty?

What difference would that make to our discussion?

I'm an Agnostic Heathen Asatruar.

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[Thief]

Yep, got that. And I answered as if....



Ok. god doesn't test man. Heaven and Hell .. are what then.. not test results?



Ok. Not from god because god has to be good?
You have proof that.. god never asked for a sacrifice?
Proving a negative are we?



1. God created mankind.. at least that's what I think the Bible says.
2. God might have or might not have demanded blood sacrifice.
3, Let's call this an unknown.
4. Then.. yeah.. humans performed blood sacrifice. Cain and Able and all of them.
5. By 2, they were told by god to do it, or not.
6. By 3, we don't know. That's unknown.
7, But if all of this is a myth and not real, then it's humans doing blood sacrifice because they have superstitious beliefs and are very barbaric and bloodthirsty.
8. I'm going with 7.



I would call that a good idea to give the big nasty beast food so as not to be eaten myself.
But hey.. call that a sacrifice if you like. I'd call it self preservation.



Yep, coulda been that way. Sounds reasonable.
We don't NEED any real god for this to work, however, but yeah, It can work.



Why would an all knowing god need with proof? An all knowing god has all the proof in the universe it wants or needs.

Prove it to WHO?.. God already knows if Abraham is telling the truth.
God is like an uber Santa Clause that way.

So, Abraham needs to prove what he believes is true to himself? Seems like he already believes that his feelings are truly feels... BUT... let's have some MORE proof, because just truly feeling something isn't like burning your own SON to know if your feelings are "true".

Nothing says truth like blood sacrifice.
I mean, math, science, logic and even common sense is all very nice, but if you REALLY want to know if something is true or not, there's NOTHING like a good old bonfire and a screaming witch or two. A son is better.. but they might be hard to catch at time. Wiley bunch these sons.

Anytime I want to prove to myself that I love someone, the FIRST thing that pops into my mind is to burn one of my kids so that I can find out if my feelings of LOVE are true.

Kids are handy epistemological tools that way. Burn one and truth just happens. Magically.

It's not good enough just to FEEL a great love for someone.
I have to PROVE to myself that I feel a great love for someone.
I do that all the time.

It's just so natural.

dissecting post work....leads to self distraction.

and it may be natural to prove yourself to God.

 

[Thief]

What difference would that make to our discussion?

I'm an Agnostic Heathen Asatruar.

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and how does THAT support your objection to my postwork?

 

[Ingledsva]

and how does THAT support your objection to my postwork?

You are going to have to tell me what you mean by that sentence? Postwork?

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[Blastcat]

dissecting post work....leads to self distraction.

and it may be natural to prove yourself to God.

No, I was trying to make sense out of what you wrote.
I have questions for you and comments.

If you don't care about being understood and answering questions.. fine.

And it may be natural for an atheist to not believe in any god. I have no idea why you think I might want to "prove" myself to one.