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Why people do what other people tell them to do

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What is freedom?
Freedom is when you do what you want to do. When you are free to decide.
Slavery is when you do what other people tell you to do.

That is sad.
Despite millennia of evolution people are just disoriented and imitate others, or repeat others' actions, like copycats.
I think that creates a horrific, vicious cycle or errors, and errors.

I give you an example. A friend of mine had a baby at 40 just because her mother wanted to be a grannie, and tormented her untile she yielded to her desire.
And now my friend regretted that choice...and blames her mother.
Because she is less free.

Seriously...why do people do what other people tell them to do?
And why are there so many bossy people who tell other people what they are supposed to do?

Thanks in advance for your answers ;)
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
What is freedom?
Freedom is when you do what you want to do. When you are free to decide.
Slavery is when you do what other people tell you to do.

That is sad.
Despite millennia of evolution people are just disoriented and imitate others, or repeat others' actions, like copycats.
I think that creates a horrific, vicious cycle or errors, and errors.

I give you an example. A friend of mine had a baby at 40 just because her mother wanted to be a grannie, and tormented her untile she yielded to her desire.
And now my friend regretted that choice...and blames her mother.
Because she is less free.

Seriously...why do people do what other people tell them to do?
And why there are so many bossy people who tell other people what they are supposed to do?

Thanks in advance for your answers ;)
Doing what others tell you to do is a free choice. Your friend regretted her choice but it was her choice to make. I think using the word slavery is wrong here.

But there are plenty of bossy people out there that want to tell you what to do and think I agree.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Doing what others tell you to do is a free choice. Your friend regretted her choice but it was her choice to make. I think using the word slavery is wrong here.

But there are plenty of bossy people out there that want to tell you what to do and think I agree.
Exactly, that was her mistake. I am blaming her.
In fact the point of this thread is: why do so many people (like my friend) do what others tell them to do? :)
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
What is freedom?
Freedom is when you do what you want to do. When you are free to decide.
Slavery is when you do what other people tell you to do.

That is sad.
Despite millennia of evolution people are just disoriented and imitate others, or repeat others' actions, like copycats.
I think that creates a horrific, vicious cycle or errors, and errors.

I give you an example. A friend of mine had a baby at 40 just because her mother wanted to be a grannie, and tormented her untile she yielded to her desire.
And now my friend regretted that choice...and blames her mother.
Because she is less free.

Seriously...why do people do what other people tell them to do?
And why are there so many bossy people who tell other people what they are supposed to do?

Thanks in advance for your answers ;)
I think it's complicated. One factor for sure is conditioning. Most people obey their parents, and their teachers. Since old habits die hard, perhaps they are unable to see a different choice, or even know they have a choice.

Another factor is individual make-up. Not everyone is born with the boon of independent thinking. It's a talent, and perhaps relates to one's genetic make-up just as physical prowess is.

Another factor is fear. It can be fear of losing friends, or worse, fear for your life. It's best just to follow the crowd, if your life is at risk if you don't.

Yes, it can be frustrating, if you have associates or friends like that ... as they always defer to your choice, and usually contentedly.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Seriously...why do people do what other people tell them to do?
As I see it, there are a couple of reasons:

One is to please others or to gain others' acceptance. Some people even go as far as to put others ahead of themselves. Often, this is unfortunate, because people will resent others for doing what they were told to do, even though they did it on their own accord.

Another is control. The person dictating what to do holds some form of control over the other person through fear.
 

☆Dreamwind☆

Active Member
Sometimes it's because that something makes sense.

Sometimes you are learning something new, so you try your best to learn from the more experienced person.

Sometimes because it's your job.

Some people are more timid or eager to please then others.

Some people don't like thinking for themselves.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
What is freedom?
Freedom is when you do what you want to do. When you are free to decide.
Slavery is when you do what other people tell you to do.

That is sad.
Despite millennia of evolution people are just disoriented and imitate others, or repeat others' actions, like copycats.
I think that creates a horrific, vicious cycle or errors, and errors.

I give you an example. A friend of mine had a baby at 40 just because her mother wanted to be a grannie, and tormented her untile she yielded to her desire.
And now my friend regretted that choice...and blames her mother.
Because she is less free.

Seriously...why do people do what other people tell them to do?
And why are there so many bossy people who tell other people what they are supposed to do?

Thanks in advance for your answers ;)

I suppose there are many reasons why. In your example, it seems a situation where a parent is exerting authority and influence over their child, which is not really slavery. Is it freedom? I don't know. I suppose she could have told her mother she wasn't going to do it and put her foot down. Is mom going to disown her for that? Was that an unacceptable consequence of making the choice?

That may be what people consider, the perceived rewards or consequences of agreeing to what someone tells you to do versus telling them to go take a flying leap. Slavery is a situation where the consequences of refusal are the most extreme and deadly. Anything less than that, one presumably has some measure of choice, although their choices may also be influenced by upbringing, culture, and the kind of information they get in life.

Sometimes, people might use subterfuge, deception, manipulation, and other such mendacious tactics to get people to bend to their will.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
With government, it's ultimately the barrel of a gun.
With employees, it's not getting paid.
Well...we are all the State.
The State is not separated from us.
So when you say "the Government" you are including yourself. You mean you as well. :)

The State is a common project based upon altruism.
That is, we share the resources of a country .
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well...we are all the State.
The State is not separated from us.
So when you say "the Government" you are including yourself. You mean you as well. :)

The State is a common project based upon altruism.
That is, we share the resources of a country .
Do you right advertising copy
for governments? That's just
a collection of slogans.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I suppose there are many reasons why. In your example, it seems a situation where a parent is exerting authority and influence over their child, which is not really slavery. Is it freedom? I don't know. I suppose she could have told her mother she wasn't going to do it and put her foot down. Is mom going to disown her for that? Was that an unacceptable consequence of making the choice?

That may be what people consider, the perceived rewards or consequences of agreeing to what someone tells you to do versus telling them to go take a flying leap. Slavery is a situation where the consequences of refusal are the most extreme and deadly. Anything less than that, one presumably has some measure of choice, although their choices may also be influenced by upbringing, culture, and the kind of information they get in life.

Sometimes, people might use subterfuge, deception, manipulation, and other such mendacious tactics to get people to bend to their will.
There are people who violate other people's free will.
Like the wife tells her husband: "if we don't make a baby, I am going to divorce you".
And the husband is really, you know, nullified, his will is reduced to zero by her wife. Because her wife doesn't respect his will not to have kids.

That happens in every social and economic situation. Blackmailing.
Workplace, family, relations.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Sometimes it's because that something makes sense.
Sometimes, of course.
Sometimes you are learning something new, so you try your best to learn from the more experienced person.
I disagree. We are all different. We are women, men, weak people, strong people, sensitive people, tough people.
We don't want the same things.
We all want different things.
So doing what others tells us to do is horrific.
Because others don't understand they don't want the same things as them.
Not everybody adores war, yet some warmongers send other people to die in a war.
They do what other people tell them to do.

Sometimes because it's your job.
Of course. But that is a choice. You choose your job.
Some people are more timid or eager to please then others.
Or some people are without personality and need others to tell them what to do.
Or need others to imitate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, that is American Constitution. :)
Practically speaking, the individual
is at the mercy of government.
 

☆Dreamwind☆

Active Member
Sooo you're telling me that learning to write your letters, the basics of how to play an instrument, how to drive a vehicle, how to properly perform cpr, or how to craft functional or beautiful things are now horrific? :facepalm:
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Practically speaking, the individual
is at the mercy of government.
Explain me who is "We the People" in the Preamble of the Constitution. :)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Sooo you're telling me that learning to write your letters, the basics of how to play an instrument, how to drive a vehicle, how to properly perform cpr, or how to craft functional or beautiful things are now horrific? :facepalm:
Teaching is very different than imposing something on someone. :)
You teach something that can be used or not used.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The entire group, as opposed to each individual.
That group determines who rules.
Whoever rules, gains power that sometimes is
rather immune to change by the group.
Exactly. Because the individual can do nothing without the cooperation of others.

:)
 
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setarcos

The hopeful or the hopeless?
What is freedom?
Seeing clearly without the interference of filters.
Freedom is when you do what you want to do.
Not possible.
When you are free to decide.
Human beings are never truly "free".
Slavery is when you do what other people tell you to do.
No, I might do what someone tells me to do because I agree with them. Or I might acquiesce to their demands because I wish to be faithful to my own convictions.
Slavery is when your perceived freedom to resist is forcibly removed when you wish to do other than what has been asked of you.
We are all slaves in this world. That's one reason I am a religious man. The only way to remove yourself from slavery is to acknowledge our religiousness. (spirituality)
 
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